May 30, 05:27:25 PDT> patw: Hello I am trying to participate remotely from CT.

May 30, 07:20:58 PDT> tuesday gutz: what time does the conference start?

May 30, 09:13:40 PDT> MSifry: Hello?

May 30, 09:23:25 PDT> marnie: Here we are.

May 30, 09:23:37 PDT> marnie: By ourselves. The action is in the remote conference session.

May 30, 09:23:42 PDT> marnie: http://www.netsquared.org/remote

May 30, 09:25:04 PDT> Alex: I had sort of anticipated that the hallway would be more of a back channel for people at the live conference

May 30, 09:25:11 PDT> gabber872: Hello.

May 30, 09:25:22 PDT> Alex: hi!

May 30, 09:25:50 PDT> Lorely: I haven't checked the schedule but was wondering if they have already started.

May 30, 09:27:02 PDT> Lorely: So where is everyone from? I'm in San Francisco but couldn't attend because we have a deadline on Friday.

May 30, 09:29:01 PDT> Lorely: Sorry, I was checking out the remote schedule and forgot to say goodbye.

May 30, 09:31:59 PDT> marnie: I'm w/ the NetSquared team.

May 30, 09:32:05 PDT> marnie: Based here in San Francisco.

May 30, 09:32:25 PDT> marnie: Sorry you couldn't attend Lorely.

May 30, 09:35:38 PDT> MSifry: Hi Marnie--Congratulations on putting together a great event!

May 30, 09:38:21 PDT> MSifry: ?

May 30, 09:43:15 PDT> Deborah: Hello?

May 30, 09:43:37 PDT> gabber22: Hello

May 30, 09:53:04 PDT> Lorely: Thanks Marnie. I wish I was in the conference too. But oh well, life goes on and I can remote in for some parts of it.

May 30, 09:53:16 PDT> gabber158: Do we have a pool for how many times Drupal or CivicSpace gets mentioned? ;-)

May 30, 09:53:58 PDT> Lorely: I don't think we've gone that far yet.

May 30, 09:54:08 PDT> Lorely: But hey, we can always start one, right?

May 30, 09:54:15 PDT> Eric: We get a module named after us?

May 30, 09:54:31 PDT> smokinggoat: The LivePool Module?

May 30, 09:54:33 PDT> geilhufe: Does it count when Zack or I say CivicSpace?

May 30, 09:54:48 PDT> Lorely: If you are affliated with them, then no.

May 30, 09:55:09 PDT> Lorely: If you aren't then, I suppose it counts.

May 30, 09:55:37 PDT> smokinggoat: Hey, no loading the books. Maybe we should start a whole pool: Drupal, CivicSpace, TechSoup, uh... what others? (MySpace or Web2.0 are going to be uncountable)....

May 30, 09:55:57 PDT> Eric: second life?

May 30, 09:56:17 PDT> Lorely: Flock and Flickr.

May 30, 09:56:27 PDT> geilhufe: We have a web 2.0 strategy. to avoid copyright we'll say things like "that is soi web 5.3"

May 30, 09:56:42 PDT> Setherplast: http://web2.0bingo.com/: who's in?

May 30, 09:56:51 PDT> MSifry: I think we have to have a drinking game (water bottles at the read)...whenever someone mentions the Dean campaign

May 30, 09:57:06 PDT> Setherplast: I'm in. I'll buy a drink to the web 2.0 bingo winner. no refreshing the page!

May 30, 09:58:29 PDT> Lorely: What are the rules?

May 30, 09:58:33 PDT> Lorely: Are there rules?

May 30, 09:58:42 PDT> MSifry: I'd like some evidence that the establishment is moving faster

May 30, 09:58:43 PDT> MSifry: that was a very facile remark

May 30, 09:58:45 PDT> MSifry: of his

May 30, 09:59:29 PDT> smokinggoat: Yahoo is moving pretty fast.... (Not that it's industry wide...)

May 30, 09:59:47 PDT> MSifry: Yahoo is not the political establishment

May 30, 10:00:05 PDT> Setherplast: The rules of Web 2.0 bingo are you go there, and keep track of the mentions. When you get a straight line you win

May 30, 10:00:09 PDT> MSifry: Hi Ruby!

May 30, 10:00:39 PDT> Ruby: Hey y'all.

May 30, 10:01:58 PDT> smokinggoat: Sifry - ah, I missed the context of his remark....

May 30, 10:02:33 PDT> Eric: good to see you all, I will check in later :)

May 30, 10:03:11 PDT> MSifry: Paul Saffo said "crowds may move fast, but the establishment may move faster"

May 30, 10:04:41 PDT> Emily: Hi all

May 30, 10:05:31 PDT> MSifry: Saffo is surprisingly old-school

May 30, 10:06:43 PDT> Emily: anyonehere?

May 30, 10:07:03 PDT> PaulResnick: Hi Emily

May 30, 10:07:05 PDT> smokinggoat: Well, there's a groundswell, but you could say that's been coming since 2000- so maybe he's waiting to see the definitive political outcomes?

May 30, 10:07:15 PDT> Ruby: We're actually lisetening to the speakers...

May 30, 10:07:21 PDT> Emily: ohh ok

May 30, 10:07:22 PDT> Emily: yeah

May 30, 10:07:25 PDT> Emily: that's right

May 30, 10:07:28 PDT> MSifry: the word "cybergenic" is interesting...someone who looks good in cyberspace

May 30, 10:07:53 PDT> smokinggoat: Hi Paul. Hi Emily. Yes, I certainly can't multi-task very well. Take all of my commentary on the speaker with grains of salt - my ears turn off when I type....

May 30, 10:08:04 PDT> Emily: what speaker are you listening to?

May 30, 10:08:19 PDT> MSifry: this is odd...ruby and i are sitting next to each other and we just noticed that we're each not seeing the full chat text

May 30, 10:08:34 PDT> Emily: msifry, you are not listed on here

May 30, 10:08:40 PDT> Ruby: Emily, here's what's going on: http://www.netsquared.org/conference/conference-sessions/making-the-most...

May 30, 10:09:13 PDT> Emily: oh ok, you are at that session

May 30, 10:09:27 PDT> smokinggoat: I think the cybergenic point is going to be interesting - along with the fact that the youthful indiscretions of histroy of politicians (all laid out on the Internet in generations to come) will potentially matter less....

May 30, 10:09:52 PDT> Setherplast: Howard's making a great point right now.

May 30, 10:10:11 PDT> Emily: some of you are not showing up

May 30, 10:10:18 PDT> Setherplast: how much "residue of hierarchy" is a great question that we at Interplast have constantly played with

May 30, 10:10:24 PDT> dan: what about the idea of heterarchy?

May 30, 10:10:25 PDT> PaulResnick: "Still need a residue of hierarchy, but it can be a pretty small one"

May 30, 10:10:59 PDT> MSifry: Jeez...10,000 posts to decide how to spend $50,000??

May 30, 10:11:15 PDT> PaulResnick: I agree; not a good example

May 30, 10:11:43 PDT> PaulResnick: Only people who would stay with that conversation are people who probably shouldn't get funded or make funding decisions

May 30, 10:12:37 PDT> PaulResnick: "The power of the whisper"

May 30, 10:17:02 PDT> dan: a great book on utopian projections in to technology is techgnosis by erik davies

May 30, 10:18:15 PDT> MSifry: hmmm

May 30, 10:18:22 PDT> MSifry: literacy is an interesting concept

May 30, 10:18:51 PDT> MSifry: see today's story in USA Today about young people who spend so much time IMing that they, supposedly, can't have a normal f2f conversation

May 30, 10:19:13 PDT> PaulResnick: Summary of this morning: when the analysis gets complicated, just remember, "It's the participation, stupid."

May 30, 10:19:27 PDT> smokinggoat: I just had a flash - since I'm thinking a lot about mobile technology in devleoping countries - the power of this kind of backchannel talk at in the face of dictatorships - but also the power of distributed communications to drive something terrible

May 30, 10:19:35 PDT> smokinggoat: like a massacre?.....

May 30, 10:19:55 PDT> MSifry: txtmessaging played a big role in the Muhammed cartoon riots

May 30, 10:20:15 PDT> AnuNigam: There is a free site that I run that does group chat over SMS in over 50 countries, it is called www.partysync.com

May 30, 10:20:20 PDT> smokinggoat: Exactly - and they play a big role in how youth congregate across the sexes in Saudi Arabia...

May 30, 10:20:22 PDT> AnuNigam: Let me know what you think...

May 30, 10:20:45 PDT> PaulResnick: "just society is not 'just my society'"

May 30, 10:21:24 PDT> AnuNigam: In China they sent over 600B SMSs last year

May 30, 10:21:36 PDT> MSifry: AnuNigam--can you email me offline about partysync? I'm at msifry at gmail

May 30, 10:21:43 PDT> AnuNigam: and the US had over 40B, it is increasing and the youth are using it...

May 30, 10:22:54 PDT> smokinggoat: I'm very intersted in practical (read: can use for employment / paid purposes) of mobile technology in the developing world, beyond just communications (altho I agree the group comm application is very important)

May 30, 10:24:21 PDT> AnuNigam: Search is what is hot in the Valley... Google is big and mobile is big, they just haven't found the right formula.. 4info.net got a lot of press, but didn't go anywhere. Also users in US have a hard time, worldwide preference is different...

May 30, 10:24:38 PDT> AnuNigam: Sorry, Mobile Search.. money is possible there..

May 30, 10:27:42 PDT> MSifry: hello again

May 30, 10:28:29 PDT> MSifry: anyone know who asked that last question?

May 30, 10:29:44 PDT> smokinggoat: dunno him

May 30, 10:30:39 PDT> smokinggoat: Hi Steve - welcome to the hallway - we're mostly just listening to the current speakers her at the conference.....

May 30, 10:30:54 PDT> marnie: Very.

May 30, 10:31:56 PDT> smokinggoat: aha.... ;-)

May 30, 10:32:33 PDT> MSifry: this gabbly tool is very funky

May 30, 10:32:43 PDT> MSifry: if you don't write something every few minutes, it drops you

May 30, 10:33:14 PDT> smokinggoat: In a good funky or bad funky way? I haven't been dropped.... I was assuming people were "dropping"because they were looking at another screen?

May 30, 10:33:25 PDT> MSifry: not in my case

May 30, 10:34:00 PDT> smokinggoat: I'm on Firefox 1.5.3 on a PC - no probs....

May 30, 10:34:45 PDT> MSifry: I'm on 1.5.03

May 30, 10:36:12 PDT> smokinggoat: Woops, missed a zero. I dunno what's gong on - does it seem like a wifi / connection prob? Or a Gabbly prob?

May 30, 10:36:26 PDT> gina: ahh, is that really happening? i just called in for backup. i don't actually know how to use that

May 30, 10:36:50 PDT> MSifry: dunno

May 30, 10:37:04 PDT> smokinggoat: Interestingly, I also discovered a simple way of creating a "personal" channel. CHeck out: http://gabbly.com/http://www.netsquared.org/smokinggoat

May 30, 10:37:04 PDT> PaulResnick: Deborah: where are you sitting?

May 30, 10:37:04 PDT> gina: ooh...go goat

May 30, 10:37:38 PDT> Ruby: Woo hoo - local government!

May 30, 10:43:54 PDT> Ruby: BTW, http://www.netsquared.org/blog/ is a great place to watch people's reactions to what's going on almost-real-time.

May 30, 10:43:56 PDT> MSifry: Saffo's reading of contemporary politics is debatable

May 30, 10:43:57 PDT> MSifry: the minutemen hardly own the debate

May 30, 10:44:11 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Paul, are you still in the chat room?

May 30, 10:44:23 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Just saw that you were looking for me (Deborah Elizabeth Finn)

May 30, 10:44:37 PDT> Susan 10b: Deborah

May 30, 10:44:42 PDT> Susan 10b: I just wanted to say hi

May 30, 10:44:49 PDT> Susan 10b: I am sitting in the conference hall

May 30, 10:45:10 PDT> Susan 10b: are you here?

May 30, 10:45:10 PDT> smokinggoat: Deborah! Hi! Greg from CM - I just ran itno Beth earlier.....

May 30, 10:45:10 PDT> Susan 10b: or just remote?

May 30, 10:45:28 PDT> Susan 10b: hi greg

May 30, 10:45:28 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: If you're facing the panelists, then you can find me on the right side of the room, about four tables from the front.

May 30, 10:45:40 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: When we break, please come find me!

May 30, 10:45:40 PDT> Susan 10b: ok, i will come and find you

May 30, 10:45:43 PDT> Susan 10b: after i use the ladies room

May 30, 10:45:44 PDT> Susan 10b: :)

May 30, 10:46:08 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: I'm wearing a greenish-blue t-shirt and a black cardigan

May 30, 10:46:43 PDT> Susan 10b: ok, wil find you

May 30, 10:46:43 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Cool!

May 30, 10:46:45 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Hi, Corey!

May 30, 10:46:55 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Are you doing a 501c3cast?

May 30, 10:48:18 PDT> smokinggoat: Thank god, I was afraid I was sitting next to you and hadn't said Hi! I'm right behind you, with the goatee... ;-)

May 30, 10:52:17 PDT> mcg: Is there an IRC channel is use as conference back channel? or is this it?

May 30, 10:53:43 PDT> Alex: there are rumors of an irc channel

May 30, 10:53:53 PDT> Alex: but MCG, I think you may be the source of the rumor I heard

May 30, 11:04:13 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Michael Gilbert, are you HERE?

May 30, 11:04:35 PDT> smokinggoat: And by te way, never one to take myself too seriously, Setherplast and I are playing Buzzword Bingo, refreshing every round: http://web2.0bingo.com/

May 30, 11:05:08 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Still looking for Susan Tenby

May 30, 11:05:34 PDT> smokinggoat: I can help you find her - just grab me next time...

May 30, 11:06:57 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Thanks, smokin' :-)

May 30, 11:07:07 PDT> Susan 10b: shoot

May 30, 11:07:11 PDT> Ruby: Did I miss something or is this immoderator's experience all MSM?

May 30, 11:07:22 PDT> Susan 10b: i was talkng to someone during the break

May 30, 11:07:29 PDT> Susan 10b: deborah, i will find you l8r

May 30, 11:07:37 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Susan, looking forward to it

May 30, 11:07:49 PDT> Susan 10b: k, m2

May 30, 11:09:34 PDT> mcg: My 'here' is not your 'here', alas.

May 30, 11:10:04 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Alas.

May 30, 11:10:17 PDT> smokinggoat: I haven't heard of anotehr IRC channel - but then again, maybe that's the point. ;-)

May 30, 11:10:17 PDT> mcg: I will confess that I have never really understood this conference. I know this chat is not the place for me to figure it out!

May 30, 11:10:50 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: It's confusing, I agree.

May 30, 11:11:07 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: This conference is being invented as it goes along. Not a bad thing, but confusing.

May 30, 11:11:41 PDT> smokinggoat: Are there details or general questions you have about the confernece, mcg?

May 30, 11:11:54 PDT> Susan 10b: to clarify

May 30, 11:11:55 PDT> gabber571: preaching to the choir - that's what's confusing

May 30, 11:12:35 PDT> mcg: Thank you for offering. If this is a good place to ask them, then I'll do that!

May 30, 11:12:47 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Go for it, Michael!

May 30, 11:12:54 PDT> Susan 10b: michael, if you have sessioon questions, please feel free to ask them http://www.netsquared.org/conference/conference-sessions

May 30, 11:12:55 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: (You lovable curmudgeon)

May 30, 11:13:12 PDT> Susan 10b: just go to the session that you are interested in

May 30, 11:13:21 PDT> Susan 10b: and select the topic in the drop down

May 30, 11:13:25 PDT> mcg: I submitted one for the Disruption session. So I did figure that part out.

May 30, 11:13:26 PDT> Susan 10b: and ask your question

May 30, 11:13:37 PDT> Susan 10b: o i c, gr8!

May 30, 11:13:42 PDT> Susan 10b: was it answered?

May 30, 11:14:06 PDT> mcg: let me check...

May 30, 11:14:34 PDT> MSifry: the website for the conference is confusing

May 30, 11:14:44 PDT> mcg: Ok. I have no idea if it was answered.

May 30, 11:15:04 PDT> Alex: as many questions as we have time for will be answered in the sessions

May 30, 11:15:12 PDT> Alex: the immoderators are supposed to pull them off the site

May 30, 11:15:32 PDT> mcg: Yeah. The combination of fragmentation and hype makes it hard to pull out the gems. But I can see that they are there.

May 30, 11:15:48 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: So Ethan is blogging from the dais here in the plenary session.

May 30, 11:16:45 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: He hasn't posted his article on this session yet, but you can find his blog at http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/

May 30, 11:16:46 PDT> Alex: We're looking for feedback on how to improve "NetSquared 2.0" -- see http://www.netsquared.org/revamp-the-navigation-organization-of-this-web...

May 30, 11:17:44 PDT> Susan 10b: so with ohmynews, can anyone easily upload content?

May 30, 11:17:54 PDT> smokinggoat: Ah, good point. 10b - do you know where the session transcripts/ reportbacks get posted?

May 30, 11:18:01 PDT> Susan 10b: (for thoswe of you not here, he is talking abouot it right now)

May 30, 11:18:05 PDT> mcg: the blog posts of various observers are of good quality and helpful, definitely.

May 30, 11:18:27 PDT> Susan 10b: are u referring to their netsquared blogs, michael

May 30, 11:18:30 PDT> Susan 10b: ?

May 30, 11:18:42 PDT> Susan 10b: or their personal blogs?

May 30, 11:18:58 PDT> mcg: both, actually

May 30, 11:19:17 PDT> Susan 10b: o glad to know that

May 30, 11:19:43 PDT> Susan 10b: goat-- i dont know where they will be posted

May 30, 11:19:52 PDT> Susan 10b: i will ask britt or alex prolly knows

May 30, 11:20:25 PDT> jeska: :)

May 30, 11:20:42 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: I'm finding it hard to drill down in the Net2 web site to get a quick answer to my questions...

May 30, 11:21:06 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: e.g., Is there a listing of groups going out to dinner this evening?

May 30, 11:21:28 PDT> Alex: SG, I think the transcripts of the ftf sessions will be posted as links from the pages for each session

May 30, 11:21:36 PDT> Alex: but I'm not sure how quickly

May 30, 11:21:48 PDT> Alex: CY, what kinds of questions?

May 30, 11:23:17 PDT> Susan 10b: i think what CY means is that it is diff to find out which of the 4 topic areas the questions are located in

May 30, 11:23:24 PDT> Susan 10b: i know that i had that problem

May 30, 11:23:26 PDT> mcg: Is there any kind of real time, shared note-taking going on? or just the blog posts?

May 30, 11:23:39 PDT> Susan 10b: i was wondering over and over where the virtual worlds fell under

May 30, 11:23:56 PDT> Alex: blog posts

May 30, 11:24:16 PDT> Susan 10b: we are all taking notes on the content team

May 30, 11:24:23 PDT> Susan 10b: and tehy will become articles

May 30, 11:24:29 PDT> Susan 10b: but not for a few days

May 30, 11:24:36 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: S10b, I mean answers to any kind of quick question. But what I really want to know is what groups are going out to dinner tonight? :-)

May 30, 11:24:46 PDT> agenthandy: re: dinner ...

May 30, 11:24:55 PDT> Susan 10b: interesting to note that for the future

May 30, 11:24:56 PDT> SnagglepussJones: yeah, where's the wiki?

May 30, 11:25:00 PDT> agenthandy: there are boards in the hall to post your note

May 30, 11:25:10 PDT> Alex: ah, the old wiki-vs-blog showdown

May 30, 11:25:25 PDT> Susan 10b: you guys want questioins and answered immedately and real-time shared notes

May 30, 11:25:25 PDT> Alex: what web 2 event would be complete wihtout it?

May 30, 11:27:21 PDT> Susan 10b: we are all having a group dinner together right?

May 30, 11:27:21 PDT> Susan 10b: am i wrong about that handy?

May 30, 11:27:21 PDT> agenthandy: there is the party, yes

May 30, 11:27:21 PDT> SnagglepussJones: with a wiki i can subscribe to changes and know when someone/anyone has updated the dinner reservations page

May 30, 11:27:21 PDT> Susan 10b: w/food?

May 30, 11:27:21 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Alex: That's like saying "hammer vs. screwdriver" - it depends on what you're trying to do.

May 30, 11:27:21 PDT> agenthandy: and there will be food and entertainment

May 30, 11:27:46 PDT> Alex: hear hear

May 30, 11:27:46 PDT> Susan 10b: u can RSS this chat, BTW

May 30, 11:27:51 PDT> agenthandy: but if you want to go somewhere else, feel free to post a note on the boards in the hall

May 30, 11:27:51 PDT> SnagglepussJones: agree with Yenta, each has it's place

May 30, 11:27:51 PDT> Alex: I'm sure we could set up a wiki somewhere off-site

May 30, 11:28:05 PDT> Alex: our concern was to avoid fragmentation

May 30, 11:28:05 PDT> Ruby: Let's make tag so if you want to organize a gatehring you can put it on the Net2 blog.

May 30, 11:28:05 PDT> SnagglepussJones: i think wikis work well for events due to the last minute adhoc nature of information flow

May 30, 11:28:08 PDT> agenthandy: there is the dinner tag already

May 30, 11:28:08 PDT> Ruby: There you go!

May 30, 11:28:08 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: So the thing at 7:00 pm is a dinner?

May 30, 11:28:12 PDT> agenthandy: i know food will be there ... if that's dinner for you?

May 30, 11:28:16 PDT> mcg: erikablock posted raw notes from the disruption session, which was nice

May 30, 11:28:16 PDT> Alex: you can see a convergence of all the folks who are blogging from net2

May 30, 11:28:16 PDT> mcg: but just FYI: i don't think my question got asked

May 30, 11:28:16 PDT> MSifry: that's helpful...i am finding that gabbly keeps dropping the chat ... if you personally don't post something every few minutes it stops showing the ongoing chat

May 30, 11:28:16 PDT> Alex: at http://www.netsquared.org/aggregator/sources/2

May 30, 11:28:22 PDT> Alex: but it's not very pretty

May 30, 11:28:27 PDT> Alex: let me see what I can do

May 30, 11:28:50 PDT> Alex: and do I hear call for a wiki option?

May 30, 11:28:50 PDT> Alex: b/c I think I can get that running

May 30, 11:29:19 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: MCG: I also find myself wrestling with Gabbly when I want to scroll backwards.

May 30, 11:29:22 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: I'm getting a very narrow little window for viewing the chat. (Am using the most recent version of Firefox)

May 30, 11:29:24 PDT> SnagglepussJones: yes Alex, wiki please

May 30, 11:29:25 PDT> SnagglepussJones: thanks

May 30, 11:29:41 PDT> Ruby: Evening of delight page says: "Join us for an evening of eclectic music and delicious food ..."

May 30, 11:29:58 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Ruby: Excellent! Thanks.

May 30, 11:30:28 PDT> agenthandy: gina said she'll jump on and tell us a bit about the menu

May 30, 11:30:53 PDT> SnagglepussJones: anyone else having bandwidth issues? seems slow getting most pages to load

May 30, 11:31:23 PDT> SnagglepussJones: or maybe it's just the Net2 pages, not sure

May 30, 11:31:25 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Snaggle: For the whole Net2 web site. Yes. It's very slow.

May 30, 11:31:30 PDT> SnagglepussJones: ah

May 30, 11:31:30 PDT> Ruby: Not any slower than at home. ;-)

May 30, 11:31:47 PDT> MSifry: the question with OhMynews is whether the conditions that make it thrive in s. Korea are unique

May 30, 11:31:47 PDT> SnagglepussJones: definitely slower than i've seen before today

May 30, 11:31:54 PDT> MSifry: i.e., a very conservative/closed news system prior to its emergence

May 30, 11:31:58 PDT> mcg: Susan, is there a better way to submit questions to the sessions than the session pages? The notes on the Disruption session that I have read so far don't indicate that mine was actually asked....

May 30, 11:32:10 PDT> MSifry: plus a rigged election

May 30, 11:32:19 PDT> Ruby: That doesn't sound different than here. :(

May 30, 11:32:19 PDT> MSifry: plus high bandwith and broadband adoption societywide

May 30, 11:32:26 PDT> Alex: there isn't going to be time for all the questions to get asked

May 30, 11:32:28 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Micah: Interesting point! And is the prevalence of wifi in S Korea a factor too?

May 30, 11:32:34 PDT> MSifry: ruby, i disagree...here we have a glut of news media

May 30, 11:33:00 PDT> Alex: but we can add to our "next actions" page (http://www.netsquared.org/nextactions) -- "get answers to the unasked qeustions"

May 30, 11:33:04 PDT> MSifry: and it's hardly conservative in the same way...it's far more free-wheeling (we also are very good at entertaining ourselves to death here)

May 30, 11:33:08 PDT> Susan 10b: mcg--I think the idea was to get the question in beforehand

May 30, 11:33:14 PDT> Susan 10b: and have them shape the talk

May 30, 11:33:26 PDT> Ruby: there aree a lot of them, but they are very conserviative both politically and systematically.

May 30, 11:33:39 PDT> Alex: snagglepuss, any recommendations on a preferred wiki solution?

May 30, 11:33:44 PDT> MSifry: ah, so OhMyNews = DailyKos?

May 30, 11:34:17 PDT> mcg: I submitted the question half an hour before the session. But I guess I should have submitted it days earlier. Oh well,

May 30, 11:34:21 PDT> SnagglepussJones: media wiki is great if you can host yourself

May 30, 11:34:37 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Ethan's blog article (from the dais) on Dan Gillmor's talk is now up: http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/

May 30, 11:34:37 PDT> SnagglepussJones: pbwiki.com

May 30, 11:34:43 PDT> MSifry: ethan is scary in how quickly he blogs conferences!!!

May 30, 11:34:43 PDT> Alex: self-hosting isn't an option if we want something right away

May 30, 11:34:56 PDT> Ruby: I ahevn't used OhMyNews , but it seems more moderated than dKOS. ANd less opinionated, but I'm all about opinions.

May 30, 11:34:57 PDT> Alex: wait, let me see what I can do

May 30, 11:35:15 PDT> Alex: how wiki-ish do the wiki folks want the wiki to be?

May 30, 11:35:28 PDT> Alex: I don't know if I can get camelcase links to work right away

May 30, 11:35:33 PDT> Susan 10b: what do you mean, Alex

May 30, 11:35:47 PDT> Susan 10b: social text is a very easy to use and quick wiki

May 30, 11:35:56 PDT> Susan 10b: (u probably already know that)

May 30, 11:36:16 PDT> Susan 10b: http://www.netsquared.org/blog

May 30, 11:36:37 PDT> Susan 10b: there are a couple good posts going on right now

May 30, 11:36:37 PDT> mcg: ok. i'm logging off here. thanks, folks.

May 30, 11:36:38 PDT> Susan 10b: i will encouorage more people in teh room to cover what they are hearng

May 30, 11:36:43 PDT> Susan 10b: thanks mcg

May 30, 11:36:51 PDT> Alex: I can probably get some peer-editable pages up on Netsquared right away

May 30, 11:37:00 PDT> Alex: but not sure if camelcase will be enabled

May 30, 11:37:03 PDT> Ruby: This is awesome, but I don't want bloggers to just become the new MSM.

May 30, 11:39:49 PDT> MSifry: there won't be a new MSM

May 30, 11:39:49 PDT> MSifry: and DailyKos is a collaboration engine, not an individual blog

May 30, 11:41:21 PDT> Susan 10b: fantastic alex!

May 30, 11:42:08 PDT> agenthandy: how about this? http://net2.pbwiki.com/dinner%20tonight

May 30, 11:42:28 PDT> Alex: ok, last (?) question on the wiki front

May 30, 11:42:35 PDT> SnagglepussJones: rad, what is the wiki pw, agent?

May 30, 11:42:41 PDT> agenthandy: hey alex, i did an experiment above ... does that work for you?

May 30, 11:42:41 PDT> agenthandy: net2

May 30, 11:42:41 PDT> SnagglepussJones: ah

May 30, 11:42:41 PDT> agenthandy: password: net2

May 30, 11:42:50 PDT> agenthandy: feel free to blog it

May 30, 11:42:50 PDT> agenthandy: if you find it helpful

May 30, 11:43:04 PDT> SnagglepussJones: cool, it works

May 30, 11:43:11 PDT> SnagglepussJones: and you don't need to know wiki markup

May 30, 11:48:35 PDT> Ruby: How come panels that are all women are usually about gender, but we don't think anything of panels that are all men?

May 30, 11:48:35 PDT> MSifry: who is making money from OhMynews?

May 30, 11:48:35 PDT> MSifry: men don't have penises, that's why

May 30, 11:48:35 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Ruby: Good point!

May 30, 11:49:18 PDT> Ruby: What, Micah?

May 30, 11:49:18 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Where's Rebecca MacKinnnon, to talk about citizen journalism and Global Voices Online? I love Ethan Z a lot, but it *is* nice to see women at the front of the room.

May 30, 11:49:22 PDT> Alex: agenthandy, nice work on pbwiki

May 30, 11:49:27 PDT> Alex: if this works for the would-be wiki-ers then that's great

May 30, 11:49:27 PDT> agenthandy: thanks alex ... hope i didn't step on yer toes there

May 30, 11:49:27 PDT> Alex: I'll blog it and post to the main page so folks know it's there

May 30, 11:49:27 PDT> Rob: I'm loving Eun-Taek's presentation. I knew a lot of this secondhand, but his account -- especially of the 2004 impeachment protests -- makes it seem a lot more real.

May 30, 11:49:36 PDT> agenthandy: awesome!

May 30, 11:49:36 PDT> agenthandy: thanks!

May 30, 11:49:57 PDT> MSifry: I'm joking...you're absolutely right...we have a blind spot when it comes to all male panels that is terrible

May 30, 11:50:00 PDT> Ruby: i knew you were joking. :-)

May 30, 11:50:07 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Did I mention that I love Ethan Z? Well, I love the way that he's kicking off by talking about Hao as an incarcerated online journalist.

May 30, 11:50:15 PDT> agenthandy: that's so intense.

May 30, 11:50:15 PDT> MSifry: Ethan is great

May 30, 11:50:24 PDT> Ruby: Agreed. Ethan rocks, as a blogger as well as an activist.

May 30, 11:50:38 PDT> MSifry: I love that he is telling a story

May 30, 11:50:40 PDT> MSifry: This is very hard to do as a speaker

May 30, 11:50:41 PDT> gtmcknight: yeah im really enjoying it

May 30, 11:50:46 PDT> MSifry: instead of giving the view from 35,000 feet

May 30, 11:50:49 PDT> MSifry: show, not tell

May 30, 11:50:57 PDT> gtmcknight: http://www.odemagazine.com/article.php?aID=4270

May 30, 11:51:08 PDT> gtmcknight: "how to tell a great story"

May 30, 11:51:25 PDT> gtmcknight: by seth godin, grain of salt etc..

May 30, 11:52:11 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Hi, DAvid!

May 30, 11:52:11 PDT> geilhufe: hey

May 30, 11:52:11 PDT> MSifry: godin gives great talks too

May 30, 11:52:21 PDT> gtmcknight: pro-marketer, i would hope so :)

May 30, 11:52:41 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Two out of 100 of the GV staff have been detained. Ouch.

May 30, 11:53:11 PDT> Ruby: They must be doing something right.

May 30, 11:53:18 PDT> Alex: agenthandy, no apologies -- love the diy approach

May 30, 11:53:56 PDT> MSifry: so, the big question about people expressing themselves is who is listening and are they responding???

May 30, 11:55:45 PDT> agenthandy: http://net2.pbwiki.com/

May 30, 11:56:11 PDT> agenthandy: i edited the front page

May 30, 11:56:52 PDT> Ruby: Go Ethan!

May 30, 11:58:11 PDT> BrianR: What up NPO geeks?

May 30, 11:58:30 PDT> Ruby: Hey Brian! :-*

May 30, 11:58:33 PDT> Cyber-Yenta: Hi, Brian. Is this Brian Reich?

May 30, 11:58:50 PDT> BrianR: no... Brian Russell - AudioActivism.org

May 30, 11:58:56 PDT> BrianR: I'm in North Carolina

May 30, 11:59:02 PDT> Ruby: Ethan Zuckerman just talked about the Live8 thing on technorati. You would dig it.