May 31, 09:04:42 PDT> *marnie*: Good morning!

May 31, 09:05:15 PDT> *Ruby*: How are we having yet another plenary with
all men?

May 31, 09:06:11 PDT> *Ruby*: Oh well, I needed some time to ctach up on
my e-mail anyway...

May 31, 09:08:19 PDT> *Grace Davis*: Greetings all...I'm Grace of
http://gracedavis.typepad.com/katrinablog/

May 31, 09:10:13 PDT> *Ruby*: Hi Grace. Are you at the conference?

May 31, 09:10:30 PDT> *Holly Ross*: this guy is practically quoting "The
World is Flat." http://www.thomaslfriedman.com/worldisflat.htm

May 31, 09:10:49 PDT> *gabber940*: Thanks for the link

May 31, 09:11:03 PDT> *Ruby*: Good call, Holly.

May 31, 09:13:15 PDT> *gabber940*: Open Source Routiing?

May 31, 09:13:23 PDT> *Grace Davis*: Ruby..I'm remote.

May 31, 09:14:07 PDT> *Holly Ross*: I think he's right on about that.
Data sharing is key. It's too bad no one from Kintera, Convio, etc. are
here to hear that.

May 31, 09:15:09 PDT> *Ruby*: Help, he said "monetize!" :-P

May 31, 09:15:11 PDT> *Emily*: Hi

May 31, 09:19:22 PDT> *marnie*: Grace! Hi and welcome ot the remote part
of the net2 conference.

May 31, 09:20:00 PDT> *Grace Davis*: Marine, it's always a pleasure to
be in your company, remote or live.

May 31, 09:21:03 PDT> *Suz 10b*: holly r u here?

May 31, 09:21:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: in the room?

May 31, 09:21:42 PDT> *Holly Ross*: yes. toward the front

May 31, 09:21:53 PDT> *Holly Ross*: on the center aisle

May 31, 09:21:57 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hmm, i don't see u

May 31, 09:22:04 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i will find u l8r

May 31, 09:23:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: Welcome to our remote
member/particpants today!

May 31, 09:23:35 PDT> *marnie*: Suz, holly's right next to the front
stage right camera.

May 31, 09:23:43 PDT> *Suz 10b*: y, just sawwher

May 31, 09:23:57 PDT> *marnie*: (kinda scary eh, Holly?)

May 31, 09:24:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: welcome back, Emily! Glad you returned

May 31, 09:27:09 PDT> *MSifry*: And now for a word from our sponsors?

May 31, 09:27:09 PDT> *Emily*: Hi Suz

May 31, 09:27:15 PDT> *Suz 10b*: It's not our fault that they are boring
speakres

May 31, 09:27:17 PDT> *Emily*: I am at the remote tagging session

May 31, 09:27:18 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hi emily

May 31, 09:27:32 PDT> *Suz 10b*: how is it, the tagging sesh?

May 31, 09:27:55 PDT> *Suz 10b*: is it worth checking out?

May 31, 09:28:04 PDT> *Suz 10b*: is it beth kanter?

May 31, 09:28:12 PDT> *Emily*: yes

May 31, 09:28:15 PDT> *Emily*: it's interesting

May 31, 09:28:29 PDT> *Emily*: especially since this is a topic that I
am the most interested in

May 31, 09:28:43 PDT> *Ruby*: BTW, I've found you can go to
http://gabbly.com/netsquared.org/hallway and then make the chat widow
bigger. I haven't figured out how to totally detach ity from the
netsquared page, though.

May 31, 09:29:57 PDT> *Rob*: I don't think you can, Ruby. It's just a
DHTML layer.

May 31, 09:30:03 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yesterday she told me that my first
tagging tales from the TS online event on the topic inspired some points
of her talk, a new way that newbies found tagging useful.

May 31, 09:30:18 PDT> *Suz 10b*: now, i tag stuff constantly

May 31, 09:30:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*: BTW, if you are interested in reading
the TS content on this topic, you can look at how-to and community
sections of the search results pg, here:

May 31, 09:30:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*:
http://www.techsoup.org/search/index.cfm?query=tagging

May 31, 09:31:27 PDT> *Suz 10b*:
http://www.techsoup.org/fb/index.cfm?fuseaction=forums.showSingleTopic&forum=2033&id=60740&cid=117&cg=searchterms&sg=tagging

May 31, 09:31:39 PDT> *Suz 10b*: that second link in particular had a
lot of gr8 info

May 31, 09:32:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i feel bad--one of us should email him

May 31, 09:32:25 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (maybe someone is, I have no idea, however)

May 31, 09:32:44 PDT> *Emily*: what is your account name?

May 31, 09:32:48 PDT> *Emily*: do you use del.icio.us?

May 31, 09:33:08 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yes, my del.icio.us handle and all my
handles seem to be suzboop

May 31, 09:33:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: http://del.icio.us/suzboop

May 31, 09:33:33 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hey snaggle

May 31, 09:33:36 PDT> *Suz 10b*: welcome

May 31, 09:34:15 PDT> *MSifry*: i got here late...is there a reason why
the moderator isn't using this chat room to solicit questions?

May 31, 09:34:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i was wondering teh same thing

May 31, 09:34:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: prolly no one told him

May 31, 09:34:37 PDT> *MSifry*: hmmm....

May 31, 09:34:40 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: maybe they're worried not
everyone has MSN chat...

May 31, 09:34:50 PDT> *Suz 10b*: good point, ivan

May 31, 09:35:07 PDT> *Suz 10b*: wait, what, we aren't using msn chat

May 31, 09:35:13 PDT> *Suz 10b*: what do you mean?

May 31, 09:35:17 PDT> *MSifry*: Well, heads-up y'all, I am planning to
make heavy use of this back-channel during the session that I'm moderating

May 31, 09:35:30 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: i was just kidding

May 31, 09:35:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: word. we will make sure to stay on topic

May 31, 09:35:45 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: that's quite a promise

May 31, 09:35:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*: o, ivan, it's too early in the morning
fo rthat wackiness

May 31, 09:36:14 PDT> *Suz 10b*: well, at least we will know not to dish
the speakers in that sesh! ;)

May 31, 09:36:24 PDT> *MSifry*: i don't care if you talk about whatever
you want

May 31, 09:36:33 PDT> *MSifry*: i enjoy the snark

May 31, 09:36:59 PDT> *Suz 10b*: actually, it makes the sessions more
fun and interesting to stay on topipc and then have the little
side-talks in the back channel

May 31, 09:37:06 PDT> *MSifry*: but i want Joan Blades and Amy Goodman
to discover that the people who used to be called their audience have
minds of their own

May 31, 09:37:20 PDT> *Suz 10b*: it's like we are spealing out of turn
without getting the dirty looks

May 31, 09:37:55 PDT> *Suz 10b*: Joan Blades and Amy Goodman are whom?
What do they do

May 31, 09:38:03 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: rock the world

May 31, 09:38:13 PDT> *MSifry*: Joan Blades is the co-founder of MoveOn.org

May 31, 09:38:14 PDT> *Suz 10b*: o the move on grrls?

May 31, 09:38:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: right, i knew that

May 31, 09:38:27 PDT> *Suz 10b*: sorry

May 31, 09:38:35 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: amy goodman is from democracy
now, the radio/vidcast program

May 31, 09:38:36 PDT> *MSifry*: Amy Goodman is the anchor of Democracy
Now, a radio show

May 31, 09:38:47 PDT> *Suz 10b*: right, i subscribe to both, shoulda
known that

May 31, 09:38:58 PDT> *Suz 10b*: maybe we could project that chat behind
them?

May 31, 09:39:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: what do you all think?

May 31, 09:39:16 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ruby mentioned it last night

May 31, 09:39:20 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i love the idea

May 31, 09:39:21 PDT> *MSifry*: oooh, i'd love porjecting the chat

May 31, 09:39:23 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: wow

May 31, 09:39:28 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: that would be such a high level
of trust

May 31, 09:39:33 PDT> *Suz 10b*: can wee make it happen

May 31, 09:39:35 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: talk about the wisdom of the
network...

May 31, 09:39:35 PDT> *MSifry*: i'll ask the Net2 folks

May 31, 09:39:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ?

May 31, 09:39:40 PDT> *Suz 10b*: cool!

May 31, 09:39:58 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: that will probably get a lot more
people on here

May 31, 09:40:05 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (speaker) ebay--people apply gr8 levels
of trust

May 31, 09:40:33 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (speaker) ebay allows people to get
access to a lvl of biz and welfare that they wouldn't get without technology

May 31, 09:40:48 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (speaker) what can XML provide for
interoperability

May 31, 09:41:27 PDT> *Suz 10b*: I am not really seeing teh XML connx
with ebay

May 31, 09:41:34 PDT> *Suz 10b*: but i guess it's about trust?

May 31, 09:41:43 PDT> *Grace Davis*: Projecting the chat...is there a
danger of this -
http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/index.php/2005/12/07/les-blogs-me-mena/

May 31, 09:41:46 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i am trying to weeave a few threads
here folks

May 31, 09:42:10 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i thihnk we should do the projecting
and just trust all

May 31, 09:42:12 PDT> *MSifry*: Grace--you mean when Mena Trott got
called out?

May 31, 09:42:15 PDT> *MSifry*: Oy

May 31, 09:42:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: that's what the gabbber999 identity is for

May 31, 09:42:32 PDT> *MSifry*: Hi mark

May 31, 09:42:36 PDT> *Grace Davis*: MSifry...yes.

May 31, 09:42:37 PDT> *MSifry*: I have a question

May 31, 09:42:42 PDT> *Mark Liu*: Hi Micah

May 31, 09:42:50 PDT> *MSifry*: I plan to plug the hallway backchat
during my session

May 31, 09:42:54 PDT> *Suz 10b*: do you guys really think I/we would
talk stink when our names are visible

May 31, 09:43:06 PDT> *MSifry*: Is there any chance we can project it on
the screens behind the speakers?

May 31, 09:43:18 PDT> *Suz 10b*: MSifry-- i love that you are going with
this idea

May 31, 09:43:25 PDT> *Suz 10b*: it should be a very lively session

May 31, 09:43:36 PDT> *Holly Ross*: as a person who runs a conferece, I
have to say that I think the idea is scary, but ultimately good.

May 31, 09:43:42 PDT> *Mark Liu*: I think it's technically possible, but
I don't think we want to do it.

May 31, 09:43:42 PDT> *MSifry*: Hi Holly

May 31, 09:43:55 PDT> *Holly Ross*: You get an "illustrious" speaker,
you don't wnat to make them mad by having people pan them while their on
stage

May 31, 09:44:01 PDT> *Suz 10b*: when I have a snark-ass comment, i will
log in anonymouosly. ;)

May 31, 09:44:01 PDT> *Mark Liu*: A lot of people on our team are pretty
negative about putting up a

May 31, 09:44:05 PDT> *Mark Liu*: visible backchannel.

May 31, 09:44:09 PDT> *MSifry*: We do this at Personal Democracy Forum
for the main hall sessions and it is a lot of fun, albeit distracting

May 31, 09:44:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: why, mark?

May 31, 09:44:12 PDT> *Holly Ross*: But I think it would be great if the
speakers are into it

May 31, 09:44:18 PDT> *MSifry*: I will ask people to please use their
real names but we have no way to ensure that

May 31, 09:44:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: it's very in the spirit of the conference

May 31, 09:44:27 PDT> *Mark Liu*: Also, I think I'd want to make sure
it's okay with Joan and Amy before

May 31, 09:44:31 PDT> *Mark Liu*: I'd do it.

May 31, 09:44:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: well, of course

May 31, 09:44:39 PDT> *MSifry*: Of course, I will ask Joan and Amy first

May 31, 09:44:40 PDT> *marnie*: It's good if it's okay with the speakers.

May 31, 09:44:45 PDT> *Suz 10b*: msifry is the immoderator

May 31, 09:44:48 PDT> *Grace Davis*: You all are less likely to be as
vicious as Ben Metcalf anyway

May 31, 09:44:51 PDT> *marnie*: We just didn't want to set up something
that got people trashed or insulted.

May 31, 09:45:00 PDT> *Suz 10b*: why would that happen?

May 31, 09:45:01 PDT> *MSifry*: I just think there's a lot we can do to
involve the audience

May 31, 09:45:01 PDT> *marnie*: Like the mena trott episode that grace
mentioned earlier.

May 31, 09:45:02 PDT> *Eric*: Yep, I think its a good ground breaking
move, we are all mostly civilized right?

May 31, 09:45:16 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i think it's an ultimately good idea

May 31, 09:45:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i was on this chat all day yesterday

May 31, 09:45:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: and today/right now is the snarkiest i
have seen

May 31, 09:45:37 PDT> *Mark Liu*: I think Marnie is in a different chat.
I didn't realize we had more than 1 going

May 31, 09:45:43 PDT> *Mark Liu*: I'll check with her

May 31, 09:45:49 PDT> *Eric*: there is the main chat and the hallway

May 31, 09:45:50 PDT> *Suz 10b*: there are two

May 31, 09:45:55 PDT> *MSifry*: We can discuss it in the speaker room
prior to the session

May 31, 09:46:07 PDT> *Suz 10b*: the literal room or the virtual room?

May 31, 09:46:10 PDT> *Ruby*: "main chat?"

May 31, 09:46:11 PDT> *marnie*: Micah -- there is a lot you can do to
connect to the audience via this

May 31, 09:46:15 PDT> *marnie*: I'm in both chats.

May 31, 09:46:16 PDT> *Mark Liu*: OK, let's check back in on this later

May 31, 09:46:18 PDT> *marnie*: This hallway

May 31, 09:46:22 PDT> *marnie*: and the remote sessions

May 31, 09:46:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hallway and remote

May 31, 09:46:25 PDT> *Ruby*: I though there was the on-site and
off-site oriented chats

May 31, 09:46:26 PDT> *MSifry*: Fact is, the chat is happening anyway

May 31, 09:46:29 PDT> *marnie*: http://www.netsquared.org/remote

May 31, 09:46:29 PDT> *Suz 10b*: this is the fun one, IMHO

May 31, 09:46:33 PDT> *MSifry*: and if we don't project it onscreen,
you're actually creating a conference within a conference

May 31, 09:46:36 PDT> *marnie*: right on about the chat happening anyway

May 31, 09:46:45 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i think we should go with it

May 31, 09:46:46 PDT> *marnie*: Micah -- point taken.

May 31, 09:46:50 PDT> *Suz 10b*: what are we afraid of?

May 31, 09:47:04 PDT> *MSifry*: But I will defer to Joan and Amy's
sensitivities...

May 31, 09:47:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: of couorse

May 31, 09:47:28 PDT> *MSifry*: And I will take my laptop on stage with
me and stay in this room looking for interesting questions to raise

May 31, 09:47:29 PDT> *Eric*: its all in the spirit of communication and
exchange, the speakers need to be ok with it for sure

May 31, 09:47:37 PDT> *Suz 10b*: it will actually engage the members who
are chatting more

May 31, 09:47:48 PDT> *Emily*: do you think I can stay in here?

May 31, 09:47:50 PDT> *Emily*: if I wanted

May 31, 09:47:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*: for example, how many of us are
listening right now

May 31, 09:48:00 PDT> *Suz 10b*: of course emily

May 31, 09:48:21 PDT> *Suz 10b*: please feel free to contribute

May 31, 09:48:25 PDT> *Holly Ross*: The very first very interesting
thing that's been said. I think this is exactly right.

May 31, 09:48:25 PDT> *Suz 10b*: like yesteday, wee will convey what is
transpring to you and the other remote members

May 31, 09:48:49 PDT> *gabber573*: I'm not listening at all ... sorry to
admit - the curse of multi-tasking

May 31, 09:49:15 PDT> *Suz 10b*: right, but if the momderator engages
us, it will be eassier to engage in four places at once!

May 31, 09:49:44 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i am a multitasking fiend!

May 31, 09:50:42 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hey all you--dinner at Roundtable pizza
near the hilton after today's events

May 31, 09:50:55 PDT> *Suz 10b*: join the TechSoup gang for a pizza and beer

May 31, 09:50:59 PDT> *Suz 10b*: you are all invited

May 31, 09:51:01 PDT> *Rob*: I know what you all mean... I'm having
trouble following the conversation here and on the remote page while I
keep checking my Net2 tag stream, monitor the NetSquared blogs and
engage the Second Life version of the conference.

May 31, 09:51:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hey you are in SL right now

May 31, 09:51:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ?

May 31, 09:51:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: are u a member of teh TS group?

May 31, 09:51:28 PDT> *Rob*: sorry, suz - the smiley got snipped. :)

May 31, 09:51:40 PDT> *Rob*: I'm just getting started with SL

May 31, 09:52:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: join the TS group, find me,
Glitteractica cookie, and i will give you a virtual Techsoup t-shirt for
your avatar

May 31, 09:52:20 PDT> *Emily*: what is SL

May 31, 09:52:22 PDT> *Rob*: hey, awesome! tx

May 31, 09:52:26 PDT> *Rob*: Second Life, emily

May 31, 09:52:36 PDT> *Suz 10b*: did you attend the SL sesh yesterday?

May 31, 09:53:06 PDT> *Rob*: wish I could have... I was either
immoderating, preparing to immoderate or preparing for today -- I can't
remember

May 31, 09:53:28 PDT> *Suz 10b*: bummer

May 31, 09:53:32 PDT> *Rob*: nice shout out for IT Conversations

May 31, 09:53:50 PDT> *Suz 10b*: well find me in RL (real life) and I
will give you a tour of TechSoup's first satellite office!

May 31, 09:53:50 PDT> *Rob*: wouldn't an NP Conversations be cool?

May 31, 09:53:59 PDT> *Rob*: you're on, Suz!

May 31, 09:54:11 PDT> *Ruby*: I have to check out Second Life...

May 31, 09:54:17 PDT> *Suz 10b*: gr8 ruby

May 31, 09:54:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i will take y ou on a tour too

May 31, 09:54:31 PDT> *Suz 10b*: maybe i should set one up later

May 31, 09:54:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: in the hotel lobby

May 31, 09:54:39 PDT> *Suz 10b*: b/4 the TS dinner

May 31, 09:54:55 PDT> *Rob*: Talking to Erin from ACS yesterday --
apparently they do a SL version of their Relay for Life!

May 31, 09:54:56 PDT> *Rob*: gr8 idea, suz

May 31, 09:54:58 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (I am embarrassed about how much I
think about SL)

May 31, 09:55:11 PDT> *Ruby*: If you like Surowieki's "The Wisdom of
Crowds", read "Emeregnce" by Steven Johnson.

May 31, 09:55:11 PDT> *marnie*: Suz -- you can do a tour of TS in SL
during the Making It Happen project spring (getting folks into second
life could be the topic)

May 31, 09:55:17 PDT> *Emily*: what exactly is second life?

May 31, 09:55:19 PDT> *Suz 10b*: sure!

May 31, 09:55:27 PDT> *Suz 10b*: emily, I will TTYL about SL

May 31, 09:55:32 PDT> *Suz 10b*: it's hard to describe over chat

May 31, 09:55:35 PDT> *marnie*: Suz -- I just signed you up. 3.15-5.15.

May 31, 09:55:39 PDT> *MSifry*: I want to have a first life.

May 31, 09:55:43 PDT> *Suz 10b*: two hours?

May 31, 09:55:56 PDT> *Rob*: emily, it's an avatar-based virtual world

May 31, 09:55:57 PDT> *marnie*: Suz - yup. 2 hrs.

May 31, 09:56:04 PDT> *Rob*: that's become a pretty thriving community

May 31, 09:56:08 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i am not sure it will take longer than
a half-hour

May 31, 09:56:12 PDT> *Rob*: with its own economy

May 31, 09:56:26 PDT> *marnie*: Let's chat in rl at a break.

May 31, 09:56:31 PDT> *Rob*: Heck, Suz, it took me half an hour to get
dressed my first time on SL!

May 31, 09:56:32 PDT> *Emily*: I am signing up

May 31, 09:56:53 PDT> *Suz 10b*: I am not sure I could talk for two
hours about it

May 31, 09:57:00 PDT> *Suz 10b*: marnie, i will chk in with you

May 31, 09:57:12 PDT> *MSifry*: it takes me a half hour to get dressed
in First Life

May 31, 09:57:25 PDT> *Ruby*: 2 hours is too long for some sessions. it
keps us from being able to do more than one thing.

May 31, 09:57:41 PDT> *marnie*: The making it happen is a bunch of
tables w/ projects -- small groups.

May 31, 09:57:51 PDT> *marnie*: There's a chance -- at the hour mark --
to switch tables

May 31, 09:57:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*: y, maybe we just meet informally and i
help people get started in SL?

May 31, 09:58:00 PDT> *marnie*: not big sessions like the kind to date

May 31, 09:58:06 PDT> *Ruby*: OK, sounds good Marnie.

May 31, 09:58:07 PDT> *Emily*: will people at making it happen come here?

May 31, 09:58:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ok, i guess i need to read up on the
makin it happen part

May 31, 09:58:10 PDT> *marnie*: it'll still be in the plenary room

May 31, 09:58:15 PDT> *Suz 10b*: here?

May 31, 09:58:18 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Hello!

May 31, 09:58:20 PDT> *marnie*: everyone congretating at tables around
different topics

May 31, 09:58:21 PDT> *Ruby*: I just want my freedom! :-)

May 31, 09:58:29 PDT> *Suz 10b*: u gots it ruby!

May 31, 09:58:30 PDT> *marnie*: You can roam, Ruby. from table to table.

May 31, 09:58:37 PDT> *Suz 10b*: roam if you want to

May 31, 09:58:45 PDT> *Suz 10b*: around the world

May 31, 09:58:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*: sorry

May 31, 09:59:00 PDT> *Ruby*: Go Kate n Cindy. ;-)

May 31, 09:59:11 PDT> *Ruby*: n Fred.

May 31, 09:59:12 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i am more of a cindy queen myself

May 31, 09:59:15 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: Actually, it's Jayne Cravens AND
Sharron Rush, working collaboratively.

May 31, 09:59:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: but that's anotehr chat room

May 31, 09:59:27 PDT> *Ruby*: Kate is a taurus so she's my grrl.

May 31, 09:59:29 PDT> *Suz 10b*: love yer bee hives jayne and sharron

May 31, 09:59:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*: Emily, i thought you were a remote useer

May 31, 09:59:56 PDT> *Suz 10b*: are you here?

May 31, 10:00:11 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: Someone mentioned B52 lyrics -- we
wore bee hives in anticipation

May 31, 10:00:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: thanks for ending

May 31, 10:00:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: j/k

May 31, 10:00:13 PDT> *marnie*: rock lobster is one of the happiest
songs in the world

May 31, 10:00:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: too tru!

May 31, 10:00:25 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: FREEDOM!!!

May 31, 10:00:34 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ZZZZZZZ

May 31, 10:00:43 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i can't believe i just did that

May 31, 10:00:45 PDT> *Ruby*: Marnie, did you see the ancient rock
losbter live performance poste don youtube recently?

May 31, 10:00:47 PDT> *Suz 10b*: sorry

May 31, 10:00:52 PDT> *Ruby*: I'll go find it.

May 31, 10:00:59 PDT> *Ruby*: Oh did something happen?

May 31, 10:01:01 PDT> *marnie*: ruby - pls do.

May 31, 10:01:04 PDT> *marnie*: pls.

May 31, 10:01:04 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: I almost wrote them and ask them
to stop.

May 31, 10:01:13 PDT> *Ruby*: Please don't let this be all guys AGAIN!

May 31, 10:01:14 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: Please note -- Jayne is writing,
not Sharron

May 31, 10:01:17 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: Sharron is so much nicer

May 31, 10:01:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: you just made me crack up

May 31, 10:01:25 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: She would never speak of so much evil

May 31, 10:01:33 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: Jayne will no prob

May 31, 10:01:44 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hey, i am trying to behave here

May 31, 10:01:50 PDT> *Suz 10b*: trying to act professional

May 31, 10:01:53 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: I don't live in the US. What do I care

May 31, 10:01:53 PDT> *Suz 10b*: you know?

May 31, 10:01:54 PDT> *Ruby*: At least they're not all white in this round.

May 31, 10:01:57 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: I'm burning bridges.

May 31, 10:02:00 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: Burn baby burn

May 31, 10:02:08 PDT> *Sharron Rush*: Please note that's still Jayne talking

May 31, 10:02:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: they are already burnt to a crisp jayne

May 31, 10:02:16 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: Folks, if you're finding the
Gabbly window a little cramped, try reloading

May 31, 10:02:21 PDT> *Ruby*: B ehaving isn't really my thing.

May 31, 10:02:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: have been for years

May 31, 10:02:32 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i am at work, tho

May 31, 10:02:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: you all arern't

May 31, 10:02:45 PDT> *Suz 10b*: my boss is READING

May 31, 10:03:03 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: <----enjoying all this candid talk

May 31, 10:03:04 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: Suz, the WORLD is reading. :)

May 31, 10:03:25 PDT> *Suz 10b*: wow, i feel so humble now

May 31, 10:03:42 PDT> *Suz 10b*: but no one knows who i am

May 31, 10:03:43 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: It's really interesting - the
difference between being at a conference on one's boss's dime, and being
there on one's own dime.

May 31, 10:03:47 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ;)

May 31, 10:03:47 PDT> *Eric*: noone :)

May 31, 10:04:30 PDT> *gabber529*: Lurking these last few minutes has
been great. This is what I love about this community. I will try to
listen but it is more boys.... What is the deal?

May 31, 10:04:50 PDT> *Suz 10b*: but at least we can relate to these guys

May 31, 10:04:56 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Nobody's paying me to be here (or
paying my way), so BY GOD, I'm going to to do exactly what I please.

May 31, 10:05:06 PDT> *Suz 10b*: good for you CY!

May 31, 10:05:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: Mazel tov!

May 31, 10:05:18 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Thanks, 10b! :-)

May 31, 10:05:41 PDT> *Eric*: We will back you up CY, following our own
rules for engagement :)

May 31, 10:05:45 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: I've been loudly complaining about
conference logistics - ask your colleagues. I'm acting very ENTITLED.

May 31, 10:05:52 PDT> *Jayne Cravens*: Wow -- I'm transformed.

May 31, 10:05:53 PDT> *marnie*: one fo the things i wonder about the biz
model discussion

May 31, 10:05:56 PDT> *Ruby*: Here's the B-52's performing Rock Lobster
in 1979: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_cgp4JIMHnk

May 31, 10:06:08 PDT> *marnie*: is how can nonprofits/ngos use that to
figure out what they should tap into next?

May 31, 10:06:22 PDT> *K*: has the $100 latop presentation started yet?

May 31, 10:06:26 PDT> *Suz 10b*: y

May 31, 10:06:26 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: About the all-boy scene in the
plenaries....interesting point.

May 31, 10:06:27 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: yes

May 31, 10:06:43 PDT> *marnie*: thanks, Ruby!

May 31, 10:07:04 PDT> *Ruby*: "obese software" 25%

May 31, 10:07:20 PDT> *Emily*: had to reload the page

May 31, 10:07:29 PDT> *MSifry*: i prefer the term "weight challenged"
software

May 31, 10:07:35 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Do we really have to have a session
about gender issues, in order to organize a panel that's all or mostly
women?

May 31, 10:07:40 PDT> *Suz 10b*: they are saying taht the marketing is
50% of the cost of the llaptop

May 31, 10:07:46 PDT> *gabber66*: Suz is right though, at least we can
relate to these guys and it's related to the topic and reality as well!
Amazing!

May 31, 10:07:50 PDT> *MSifry*: the next panel is going to be all or
mostly women

May 31, 10:07:51 PDT> *Ruby*: Apprent;y so, CY

May 31, 10:08:00 PDT> *Ruby*: It's about time.

May 31, 10:08:17 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Micah, I'm doing a happy dance.
Thanks for pointing this out!

May 31, 10:08:37 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: i'm looking around but i don't
see anyone doing a happy dance

May 31, 10:08:42 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) idea is to reduce
display costs by leveraging backlight power

May 31, 10:08:48 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: maybe i just can't see you though

May 31, 10:09:01 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: I'm doing it on my own terms, BY
GOD. (See above.)

May 31, 10:09:09 PDT> *Emily*: is there another session going on about
gender issues?

May 31, 10:09:12 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: gotcha

May 31, 10:09:18 PDT> *TK*: UL sponsoring a wind up laptop?

May 31, 10:09:40 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: I'm sitting way in the back, on the
right (if you're facing the panelists), wearing a burgundy shirt.

May 31, 10:09:49 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) costs are reduced by
using an LED backlight and replacing color feeders with a defraction
layer (whatever that is)

May 31, 10:10:15 PDT> *gabber66*: Yeah, it is mostly women. I don't want
to whine but there does seem to be a theme of women talking about the
social change part and men talking about the technology part. Of course
there maybe be a few exceptions but hmmm....

May 31, 10:10:17 PDT> *K*: Is there a $100 laptop at the conference for
people to try?

May 31, 10:10:19 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Looking at my table, I realize that
it's all guys, except me.

May 31, 10:10:26 PDT> *MSifry*: what if you could make a $100 cell phone
with a decent screen...i know the keypad would suck for writing long
documents, but it would at least get you on the web

May 31, 10:10:35 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) rest of materials P3
processor and 128mb of RAm, with a linux OS in enough for most people's
needs

May 31, 10:10:39 PDT> *Ruby*: Emily, it was yesterday.

May 31, 10:10:51 PDT> *Emily*: that's what I thought Ruby

May 31, 10:11:00 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) no harddrive? wow.

May 31, 10:11:01 PDT> *MSifry*: I plan to talk about the technology
enabling social change part

May 31, 10:11:15 PDT> *Emily*: I find it interesting that most of us in
here are women

May 31, 10:11:23 PDT> *Emily*: (in the chat)

May 31, 10:11:33 PDT> *Suz 10b*: u don't really know that tho

May 31, 10:11:39 PDT> *Emily*: true

May 31, 10:11:40 PDT> *Suz 10b*: just putting that out there

May 31, 10:11:45 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Hmm, most tables don't seem to have
a 50-50 mix of men and women. They seem to be predominantly men or
predominantly women. Does this mean anything?

May 31, 10:12:00 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) looks cute it's orange

May 31, 10:12:05 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ($0.1K laptop) industrial design
looks like cheese

May 31, 10:12:12 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: smoked gouda

May 31, 10:12:14 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) looks like aplayskool toy

May 31, 10:12:22 PDT> *emergingTech*: where can one buy one?

May 31, 10:12:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ivan i am LOL

May 31, 10:12:39 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: More like Muenster, I'd say

May 31, 10:12:43 PDT> *Suz 10b*: Emerg tech, i dunno

May 31, 10:12:48 PDT> *Suz 10b*: are you here or remote?

May 31, 10:12:51 PDT> *MSifry*: I think the plan to is to sell them in
units of 1 million

May 31, 10:12:52 PDT> *Suz 10b*: if u are here

May 31, 10:12:59 PDT> *Suz 10b*: u should ask

May 31, 10:13:03 PDT> *Suz 10b*: if not, i will ask 4 u

May 31, 10:13:07 PDT> *elissaone*: how about solar for the power?

May 31, 10:13:21 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) who's goiong to ask ?

May 31, 10:13:32 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) crank for power

May 31, 10:13:37 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ($0.1K laptop) "bandwidth is a
perishable commodity"

May 31, 10:13:42 PDT> *Suz 10b*: moved off the model

May 31, 10:13:53 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) crank is now off-board

May 31, 10:13:57 PDT> *Suz 10b*: too havey

May 31, 10:14:01 PDT> *Suz 10b*: heavy

May 31, 10:14:08 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Wireless bandwidth is definitely
perishable.

May 31, 10:14:18 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: At least in most hot spots I frequent.

May 31, 10:14:20 PDT> *elissaone*: Ahhh on the weight, thanks.

May 31, 10:14:25 PDT> *emergingTech*: remote, but there in spirit :-)

May 31, 10:14:28 PDT> *Suz 10b*: np

May 31, 10:14:36 PDT> *Emily*: same here emergingtech

May 31, 10:14:41 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Wifi is fabulous in here, have you
noticed? Way to go, Cisco.

May 31, 10:15:02 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: yeah except that if my computer
goes to sleep for more than 5 minutes, i have to log in again

May 31, 10:15:11 PDT> *Jayne Cravens*: This is also a matter of what
people want -- people in developing countries have told me they really,
really want this $100 laptop -- who am I to say, oh, no you don't... you
need such and such instead

May 31, 10:15:12 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) we believe in
connected computers

May 31, 10:15:23 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) how do you plan to
get these things connected?

May 31, 10:15:55 PDT> *marnie*: connection seems to be the really big
problem.

May 31, 10:15:55 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: J: This is the constant dilemma. Do
they people we serve get what we think they need or what they think they
need?

May 31, 10:16:03 PDT> *marnie*: I wonder what happens to all the $100
laptops when they need to get thrown away?

May 31, 10:16:10 PDT> *Eric*: can the $100 laptop be dropped, otherwise
abused without breaking (or breaking as much as typical laptops)

May 31, 10:16:10 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ask that marniwe

May 31, 10:16:13 PDT> *Suz 10b*: marnie

May 31, 10:16:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: eric, i drop mine all the time

May 31, 10:16:30 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Sometimes I really am convinced
that I know better than they do. Does that make me a patronizing
insensitive creep?

May 31, 10:16:32 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (sorry , my CM colleagues)

May 31, 10:16:35 PDT> *Jayne Cravens*: What happens when they are thrown
away? Fish tanks!!!

May 31, 10:16:38 PDT> *emergingTech*: Emily: great

May 31, 10:16:38 PDT> *Suz 10b*: but it hasn't broken yet

May 31, 10:16:43 PDT> *MSifry*: for future reference, marnie, consider
using campfire for the backchat next time

May 31, 10:16:43 PDT> *Eric*: wow, dell?

May 31, 10:16:44 PDT> *Jayne Cravens*: No, really, people are talking
about this too.

May 31, 10:16:51 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yup

May 31, 10:16:59 PDT> *marnie*: micah -- good suggest re: campfire.

May 31, 10:17:00 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i have dropped it three times

May 31, 10:17:03 PDT> *marnie*: didn't even think of that.

May 31, 10:17:08 PDT> *Suz 10b*: it's cracked but it works gr8

May 31, 10:17:16 PDT> *Jayne Cravens*: The Digital Divide Network
discussion group has great discussions about this all the time. If you
are interested in this project, it's a great place to talk about it,
whether you are for or against or don't know

May 31, 10:17:21 PDT> *MSifry*: it allows you to scroll backwards
through a whole session...gabbly makes it pretty hard to do that...so if
I step a way and miss some posts, I can't get back to them

May 31, 10:17:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i have small hands, it's not my fault

May 31, 10:17:39 PDT> *Suz 10b*: you can b/c they were saved in the RSS feed

May 31, 10:17:52 PDT> *Ruby*: Sort of.

May 31, 10:17:56 PDT> *Suz 10b*: msifry, aaron p can get you all the
transcripts

May 31, 10:18:02 PDT> *TK*: Are we multitasking or what

May 31, 10:18:08 PDT> *Emily*: there was a problem with the feed

May 31, 10:18:10 PDT> *Eric*: amazing :). Lots of the international
folks I have worked with are taking their equipment on journeys that
have the unit bouncing up and down on dirt roads for hours... many
problems arise from this :)

May 31, 10:18:12 PDT> *Suz 10b*: y, that's old news, TK.

May 31, 10:18:16 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ;)

May 31, 10:18:19 PDT> *gabber589*: is it just me or is this format
really anti-collaborative ... are we going to sit here listening all day
- plenary and all ...

May 31, 10:18:39 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: no the afternoon is all net2camp

May 31, 10:18:41 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: skillshare

May 31, 10:18:41 PDT> *Suz 10b*: there will be break outs after the plenary

May 31, 10:18:59 PDT> *Suz 10b*: gabber589 did you read your yellow
sheet? ;)

May 31, 10:19:09 PDT> *MSifry*: also, I think campfire lets people on
the chat 'whisper' sideways to each other without interrupting the
general flow

May 31, 10:19:10 PDT> *marnie*: q-i is right. the afternoon is all open
sessions. the making it happen section.

May 31, 10:19:17 PDT> *TK*: wth is skillshare

May 31, 10:19:29 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: skills being shared

May 31, 10:19:32 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: sorry activistspeak

May 31, 10:19:34 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: 589: I know what you mean - I'm
hearing great people on fascinating topics. But what I really want is a
five minute conversation with every single attendee or presenter, and
then time to follow up with maybe 15 or 20 of them.

May 31, 10:19:36 PDT> *Suz 10b*: np

May 31, 10:19:45 PDT> *gabber589*: sorry - the yellow sheet says plenary
plenary plenary ...

May 31, 10:19:48 PDT> *Suz 10b*: as long as you don't use biz cliches
and sports metaphors

May 31, 10:19:55 PDT> *marnie*: tk: tips and tricks is the first part of
making it happen. people sitting around the room -- at tables --
prepared to answer questions in a specific area

May 31, 10:19:57 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: cyber-yenta...you just described
a "brain jam"

May 31, 10:20:00 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: it's value-added

May 31, 10:20:20 PDT> *Suz 10b*: stop!

May 31, 10:20:23 PDT> *gabber589*: I love that idea ms. yenta.

May 31, 10:20:29 PDT> *Suz 10b*: or i willsynergize with you

May 31, 10:20:29 PDT> *Emily*: testing

May 31, 10:20:30 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Glenda: Or unconferencing.

May 31, 10:20:30 PDT> *TK*: ahh

May 31, 10:20:41 PDT> *Sharron*: yes, i agree that the extensive
plenaries are antithetical to the collaborative intent, but the content
yesterday was awesome - so it was OK

May 31, 10:20:50 PDT> *TK*: getting too warm and fuzzy

May 31, 10:20:51 PDT> *gabber589*: people connections - none of this
means diddly without the people connections

May 31, 10:20:52 PDT> *Emily*: I am taking a break anyway

May 31, 10:20:52 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: sweeeeeeet...i like that
term..unconferencing...

May 31, 10:21:08 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: although I did want to learn
about the $100 laptop...

May 31, 10:21:28 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: but it could have been done in 20
minutes rather than 30

May 31, 10:21:57 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: The Net2 team should have let the
Cyber-Yenta have that 5 minute conversation with everyone, and then
match everyone up to discuss common interests.

May 31, 10:21:58 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ($100 laptop) which is more
valuable to people, laptop or cell phone?

May 31, 10:22:05 PDT> *gabber589*: laptop

May 31, 10:22:07 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ($100 lt) consensus is laptop

May 31, 10:22:10 PDT> *Suz 10b*: cell

May 31, 10:22:12 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: No need for sessions. ;-)

May 31, 10:22:14 PDT> *Jayne*: Sharron is Jayne and Jayne is Sharron and
you are me and I am you and we are all together.

May 31, 10:22:16 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i value it more

May 31, 10:22:17 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: laptop

May 31, 10:22:18 PDT> *TK*: the information on them

May 31, 10:22:20 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: but that's because we all live in
places where there are landlines all over the place

May 31, 10:22:28 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: without those cell phones would
be much more valuable

May 31, 10:22:38 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: i can use my laptop as a
phone...via skype

May 31, 10:22:44 PDT> *gabber589*: this is true - th landline issues

May 31, 10:22:45 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: and my laptop has tons more power

May 31, 10:22:52 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: and aps

May 31, 10:22:58 PDT> *Eric*: yep its the environment, laptop is easy in
USA urban enviros

May 31, 10:23:06 PDT> *Jayne*: And now I'd like to encourage you all to
volunteer online at www.onlinevolunteer.org, so that you can channel all
this wonderful energy and thoughts to help organizations in the
developing world.

May 31, 10:23:08 PDT> *TK*: steal my laptop, break my cellphone - I want
the info

May 31, 10:23:13 PDT> *Jayne*: This has been a public service announcement.

May 31, 10:23:38 PDT> *Ruby*: And I can use my cellphone as a computer. :-P

May 31, 10:23:42 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: but TK...where do you keep the
info...and how do you get instant access to it?

May 31, 10:23:53 PDT> *TK*: online

May 31, 10:24:09 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: but with what...TK...what device?

May 31, 10:24:13 PDT> *marnie*: tk - what does that mean to information
security and related laws.

May 31, 10:24:17 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ($100 lt) laptops serve as
wireless receivers and transmitters, so there's only one Internet
uplink, and then each laptop is a node that expands the wireless further out

May 31, 10:24:17 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: or...r u bionic?

May 31, 10:24:28 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: we are all cyborgs

May 31, 10:24:43 PDT> *Jayne*: You will be assimilated

May 31, 10:24:45 PDT> *TK*: look around there's computers everywhere, go
to kinko's, a CTC wherever

May 31, 10:25:01 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: Resistance is futile. Or at
least too damn much work.

May 31, 10:25:02 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) is there a training
in the plans for the laptops?

May 31, 10:25:26 PDT> *Jayne*: Is this the first Star Trek reference of
the conference?!?!?!

May 31, 10:25:27 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) we are trying to
train people and will deploy the laptops in 2007, training will happen then

May 31, 10:25:29 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: sharron...the volunteermatch home
page is 508 compliant and xhtml valid! woohoo!

May 31, 10:25:29 PDT> *Jayne*: Surely not....

May 31, 10:25:33 PDT> *emergingTech*: Can one buy thee .1 k laptops?
from where?

May 31, 10:25:41 PDT> *Suz 10b*: dunno, ET

May 31, 10:25:42 PDT> *Eric*: no, assimilation came up yesterday in the
hallway...

May 31, 10:25:47 PDT> *TK*: Have you ever lost your phone book? Do you
remember what you missed?

May 31, 10:25:56 PDT> *Jayne*: I am the Sharron Rush whoohoo for
Volunteer Match, by proxie

May 31, 10:25:58 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i thiink they wil be distrubuing

May 31, 10:26:18 PDT> *Kaliya*: hi

May 31, 10:26:22 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: TK: I don't have enough brain cells
to remember everything that's in my phone book.

May 31, 10:26:29 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: hi kaliya

May 31, 10:26:33 PDT> *Suz 10b*: they will be distributing them in 2007

May 31, 10:26:38 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Or they are all filled to capacity.

May 31, 10:26:41 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hi kaliya

May 31, 10:26:50 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Hi, Kaliya

May 31, 10:27:05 PDT> *marnie*: tk: if you're saving stuff online and
laws change-- the ability of people to access our data w/o our
permission -- what does that mean? particularly for internationl stuff.

May 31, 10:27:17 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: I like the bit about kids
learning to do repairs and making a not bad living.

May 31, 10:27:41 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: that is cool rob, matched what
Guido said about teaching networking to kids in developing countries

May 31, 10:27:45 PDT> *TK*: My point is, like the comments about boys
talking tech, and girls talking social message. Dang the tool, its about
the content, info, use, solution etc.

May 31, 10:28:11 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: TK...i agree...the point is the
people and the sharing of ideas

May 31, 10:28:16 PDT> *Jayne*: If I don't get to stand up and talk to
people soon, I'm going to go crazy

May 31, 10:28:35 PDT> *Ruby*: Too late, Jayne. ;-)

May 31, 10:28:36 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: like the crayon and the paper
example from Ethan yesterday

May 31, 10:28:44 PDT> *Jayne*: Tell Sharron to quit making me laugh

May 31, 10:28:49 PDT> *emergingTech*: Can one buy these .1 k laptops?
from where?

May 31, 10:28:49 PDT> *Jayne*: No one look at me. I'll laugh

May 31, 10:29:11 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: J: I"m about to take a bathroom
break. Meet you in the (real) hallway?

May 31, 10:29:19 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: Break time...right?

May 31, 10:29:22 PDT> *Ruby*: Do we have to separate you two?

May 31, 10:29:23 PDT> *Jayne*: Yes. See you there.

May 31, 10:29:25 PDT> *Jayne*: I'm going now.

May 31, 10:29:38 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: -----> Right side women's room.

May 31, 10:29:55 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: it's like a flash mob

May 31, 10:29:59 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: of two

May 31, 10:30:03 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) no single platform,
wiki, IM

May 31, 10:30:18 PDT> *Ruby*: flash mob in the ladies room!

May 31, 10:30:27 PDT> *Ruby*: it's like that song from the 80's...

May 31, 10:30:28 PDT> *TK*: When I said steal my laptop, that was
hypothetical, OK

May 31, 10:30:43 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ruby, i think i missed that one

May 31, 10:30:50 PDT> *marnie*: meeting in the ladies room.

May 31, 10:31:04 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yo baby yo baby yo

May 31, 10:31:11 PDT> *Ruby*: you're too young, Ivan.

May 31, 10:31:18 PDT> *Ruby*: marnie, knows.

May 31, 10:31:19 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i'll be back real soon

May 31, 10:31:24 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: hey, i was around in the 80s...

May 31, 10:31:25 PDT> *Suz 10b*: 10b too

May 31, 10:31:31 PDT> *TK*: I'm going to integrate that flash mob

May 31, 10:31:32 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ..most of them...

May 31, 10:31:37 PDT> *Suz 10b*: y, maybe you were in your cradle

May 31, 10:31:59 PDT> *Ruby*: yeah but you weren't at dance clubsm right.?

May 31, 10:32:16 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: no, they were always carding me

May 31, 10:32:29 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: probably because i was less than
4' tall

May 31, 10:32:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) there will be many
software apps available for it

May 31, 10:32:54 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) lots of libraries of
spanish language, educational software

May 31, 10:33:10 PDT> *Scott Baker*: I wonder how limited folks will
feel with their $100 laptop. I feel like so much content would be
painful to access given the hardware specs

May 31, 10:33:30 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: hey...where are the "man on a
missions" campaign buttons for his daughter running for president?

May 31, 10:33:38 PDT> *Suz 10b*: I agree, i mean, the real question is
will it handle Second Life?

May 31, 10:33:45 PDT> *Suz 10b*: c'momn now!

May 31, 10:34:18 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: but on the $100 laptop...if the
browser is the application...I think it will be enough

May 31, 10:34:21 PDT> *Scott Baker*: :-) Can kids in povery play first
person shooters? hehe DARPA might get interested now..hehe

May 31, 10:34:46 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ($100 laptop) q: how can
businesses work with nonprofits to innovate?

May 31, 10:34:46 PDT> *TK*: man on a mission = MOM

May 31, 10:35:16 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: marnie asked about how you
protect online info if the rules change...

May 31, 10:36:00 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: could it be...that we also keep
info on itty bitty flash drives?

May 31, 10:36:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) Our mission is to be
educational and others can follow

May 31, 10:36:15 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: i mean...i prefer that it be in a
central place...and I'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too trusting!

May 31, 10:36:22 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: It's kind of related to the work
Martus does, providing secure remote servers for human rights workers
documenting abuses

May 31, 10:36:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (100 buck laptop) one laptop per chilsd
is his org

May 31, 10:36:24 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: ($100 laptop) ending now

May 31, 10:36:31 PDT> *quixotic-ivan*: break!

May 31, 10:36:34 PDT> *Suz 10b*: see you at 11am

May 31, 10:37:15 PDT> *TK*: Are we having fun yet, or what?

May 31, 10:37:24 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: hey TK...who r u?

May 31, 10:37:34 PDT> *TK*: just some guy

May 31, 10:37:50 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: protecting your privacy...huh?

May 31, 10:38:10 PDT> *TK*: Not really, a face in the crowd

May 31, 10:38:17 PDT> *GlendatheGood*: alright...i'm headed to
break...i'm the girl all in black with a Livestrong bracelet on

May 31, 10:39:19 PDT> *emergingTech*: Suz10b: Can one buy these .1 k
laptops? from where?

May 31, 10:39:44 PDT> *ES*: Not from the talk, but from reading - I
think the answer is no. but it sure would open up demand!

May 31, 10:43:43 PDT> *ES*: make up your mind k.

May 31, 10:53:04 PDT> *TK*: Anyone know why this chat doesn't work on
Firefox, or does it?

May 31, 10:54:31 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: Hi, TK - I'm using Ff on Mac OS
X, no prob - what are you using?

May 31, 10:55:33 PDT> *TK*: Ff on Mac OS X 10.4.6, is there a setting or
helper I need to fireup?

May 31, 10:55:59 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: Shouldn't be. Are you at the
conference site?

May 31, 10:57:22 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: TK, I'm wondering if you're at
the Cisco campus for the conference. I could stroll over and see if I
can help.

May 31, 10:59:11 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: You could also try
http://www.gabbly.com/http://www.netsquared.org/hallway and see if that
works any better for you

May 31, 11:04:28 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: I (heart) Gunner.

May 31, 11:04:50 PDT> *Emily*: Hi all, I am back

May 31, 11:05:14 PDT> *Jayne*: Everyone come to the accessibility workshop!!

May 31, 11:05:43 PDT> *Jayne*: Everyone come to the accessibility
workshop!!!

May 31, 11:05:43 PDT> *Jayne*: No, really, everyone come to the
accessibility workshop!!

May 31, 11:05:43 PDT> *Suz 10b*: and the second life one!

May 31, 11:06:16 PDT> *Emily*: if I were there, I woul dbe at the
accessibility one

May 31, 11:06:16 PDT> *Jayne*: Hurrah for Emily!!

May 31, 11:06:16 PDT> *emergingTech*: HI Emily, wb

May 31, 11:06:21 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: I'm going to do "referral desk" at
the tips and tricks segment.

May 31, 11:06:33 PDT> *Emily*: what is the referral desk?

May 31, 11:06:35 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: For people who don't know what they
don't know.

May 31, 11:06:47 PDT> *Suz 10b*: everyone come to round table pizza for
dinner with TechSoup after all this

May 31, 11:06:58 PDT> *Suz 10b*: meet at the hilton lobby at 7pm ish

May 31, 11:07:06 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: If you're stuck, I'll do my best to
figure out what you should do or who you should ask.

May 31, 11:07:09 PDT> *Suz 10b*: hosted by ME!

May 31, 11:07:11 PDT> *Jayne*: Is anyone sitting at a table with David
Barnard of SANGONet?

May 31, 11:07:20 PDT> *Jayne*: Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

May 31, 11:07:23 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Yes, me.

May 31, 11:07:26 PDT> *Emily*: what type of things are you thinking
about discussing at accessibility?

May 31, 11:07:32 PDT> *Jayne*: Where are you?

May 31, 11:07:35 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: (Sitting with David Barnard)

May 31, 11:07:35 PDT> *Ruby*: OK, a panel with women!

May 31, 11:07:52 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: In the back, last table on the right.

May 31, 11:07:54 PDT> *Ruby*: hello, relevance.

May 31, 11:08:12 PDT> *Jayne*: STand up and then sit back down.

May 31, 11:08:28 PDT> *Jayne*: Tell him I want to meet him and to look
out for me in the break.

May 31, 11:08:32 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Did you see me?

May 31, 11:08:34 PDT> *Jayne*: I'm a SangoNet groupie

May 31, 11:08:39 PDT> *Jayne*: Yes, see you.

May 31, 11:08:46 PDT> *Jayne*: SangoNet is awesome.

May 31, 11:08:49 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: I just explained that you are an
ICT4D goddess.

May 31, 11:08:49 PDT> *Jayne*: I recommend it all the time

May 31, 11:09:06 PDT> *Jayne*: Awwwwww..... actually, I'm an ICT4d biatch

May 31, 11:09:37 PDT> *Ruby*: Everyone pay attentio Micah!

May 31, 11:09:55 PDT> *Ruby*: oops. pay attention to Micah. lag :(

May 31, 11:10:21 PDT> *Jayne*: Depends on how you define a blog

May 31, 11:10:39 PDT> *Emily*: lost connection

May 31, 11:10:53 PDT> *emergingTech*: Suz 10B: I'll try rto make it. Is
this the Santa clara Hilton?

May 31, 11:11:02 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yes

May 31, 11:11:05 PDT> *Suz 10b*: cool ET!

May 31, 11:11:08 PDT> *Suz 10b*: who are you?

May 31, 11:11:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: in RL

May 31, 11:11:24 PDT> *Suz 10b*: or is that anonymity part of your mystique

May 31, 11:11:28 PDT> *Suz 10b*: /

May 31, 11:12:18 PDT> *emergingTech*: lol ! mystique !

May 31, 11:12:27 PDT> *Suz 10b*: o i guess they are not publishing our chat

May 31, 11:12:38 PDT> *Suz 10b*: behind them

May 31, 11:12:43 PDT> *emergingTech*: I have difficulty defining myself
! identity criseis u know!

May 31, 11:12:53 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i understand ET

May 31, 11:13:25 PDT> *Suz 10b*: Go Micah!

May 31, 11:14:04 PDT> *TK*: He asked a question and didn't allow for the
answer before he's asking another question and asking the audience to
ask questions, I'm confused

May 31, 11:14:22 PDT> *Jayne*: Great questin!!!

May 31, 11:14:23 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ask your question aloud now, if u have it

May 31, 11:14:25 PDT> *Jayne*: question.

May 31, 11:15:14 PDT> *emergingTech*: In RL I am an author, Advisor, and
all around analyst of emerging technologies. Oh, and I like poetry among
other things.

May 31, 11:15:28 PDT> *Suz 10b*: and long walks on the beach

May 31, 11:15:30 PDT> *TK*: Will these questions get answers?

May 31, 11:15:36 PDT> *emergingTech*: lol !

May 31, 11:16:02 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yes, TK

May 31, 11:16:07 PDT> *emergingTech*: that too. I hope I have fulfilled
the reequirements for self disclosure

May 31, 11:16:08 PDT> *Suz 10b*: ask away

May 31, 11:16:22 PDT> *Suz 10b*: only partially ET

May 31, 11:16:26 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yay kaliya

May 31, 11:16:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: love her

May 31, 11:17:45 PDT> *TK*: reality check

May 31, 11:18:09 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Bummer. I have to duck out of the
plenary to be in a conference call with a client. :-( Love the client,
but wish I weren't missing this session.

May 31, 11:18:30 PDT> *Jayne*: Ruuuuuuubeeeeee. Don't take your love to
town.

May 31, 11:18:42 PDT> *Suz 10b*: for god sake's turn around

May 31, 11:18:47 PDT> *Kaliya*: empower the people

May 31, 11:18:55 PDT> *Holly Ross*: I think there should be a kenny
Rogers ban in this chat

May 31, 11:19:05 PDT> *Suz 10b*: god's sakes?

May 31, 11:19:07 PDT> *Suz 10b*: whatev

May 31, 11:19:10 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i am a jew

May 31, 11:19:21 PDT> *Suz 10b*: n!! love kenny

May 31, 11:19:27 PDT> *Cyber-Yenta*: Kenny Rogers, biz buzz words - yes,
they should be banned.

May 31, 11:19:47 PDT> *Holly Ross*: His face lift went horribly wrong

May 31, 11:20:15 PDT> *Suz 10b*: poor rich, hollywood kenny

May 31, 11:20:34 PDT> *Ruby*: This is going to be the best one today so
far. if even it's not that good.)

May 31, 11:20:47 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (move on speaker) talking about the
origins of moveon

May 31, 11:21:16 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (move on speaker) action forum= reader
rated place for ideas

May 31, 11:21:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (move on speaker) find out what to do
through member feedback

May 31, 11:21:55 PDT> *Emily*: suz- what is the session you are at about?

May 31, 11:22:04 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: what session suz?

May 31, 11:22:12 PDT> *Suz 10b*: grassroots

May 31, 11:22:21 PDT> *Suz 10b*: mmoveon.org founder is speaking

May 31, 11:22:37 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: <- watching from australia.

May 31, 11:22:43 PDT> *Jayne*: Her rhetoric sounds good, but I have
attended house parties where our ideas, and those of all we were
connected to were reframed and massaged to fit MoveOn's pre set agenda

May 31, 11:22:44 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (move on speaker) local meet-ups are
encouraged

May 31, 11:22:58 PDT> *Suz 10b*: dave:lifekludger---welcome!!

May 31, 11:23:06 PDT> *Sharron*: that was sharron (last comment) not Jayne

May 31, 11:23:11 PDT> *Suz 10b*: How did you hear about Net2?

May 31, 11:23:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: thatis intersting sharron

May 31, 11:23:41 PDT> *Ruby*: we're in the plenary about politics online

May 31, 11:23:46 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i have never been to one but they seem
like a gr8 idea

May 31, 11:24:06 PDT> *Suz 10b*: grassroots, netroots and the end and
beginning of politics

May 31, 11:24:09 PDT> *Jayne*: That happened to me at the Democrats
Abroad meeting in Germany. (now it's Jayne speaking, not Sharron).

May 31, 11:24:13 PDT> *Suz 10b*: is the sesh title

May 31, 11:24:16 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: erm....complicated. via
connectingup conf

May 31, 11:24:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i posted that conference on techsoup

May 31, 11:24:44 PDT> *Suz 10b*: so i am familiar with it

May 31, 11:25:02 PDT> *Jayne*: Sharron, did you write MoveOn with your
concerns?

May 31, 11:25:57 PDT> *Sharron*: I did, several times and receive
formulaic responses that did not engage the problem. They are quite
unreponsive, perhaps due to sheer numbers of memebers

May 31, 11:26:15 PDT> *bekamop*: very small staff, very large list

May 31, 11:26:21 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (moveon) media helps shape public opinion

May 31, 11:26:44 PDT> *Ruby*: We watch Democacy Now at least once weekly
in my house.

May 31, 11:26:55 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (democracy now speaker) media is the
most powerful tool on earth

May 31, 11:27:01 PDT> *Jayne*: There's a term for this. It's called
being "world banked." When you attend a meeting, share all your ideas,
and then when you read the official communication from the meeting, your
thoughts are reworked or even ignored.

May 31, 11:27:17 PDT> *Jayne*: But the org can claim that what they did
was "participatory"

May 31, 11:27:19 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: i presented there.

May 31, 11:27:31 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (democracy now speaker) came out of
pacifica radio --who knew

May 31, 11:27:42 PDT> *TK*: me

May 31, 11:27:45 PDT> *Kaliya*: Frustrating

May 31, 11:27:46 PDT> *Ed*: Sharron/Jayne, seems like the solution is to
start your own organization. Meeting people at MoveOn parties is
actually a good way of grabbing local folks to start your own thing.

May 31, 11:27:56 PDT> *Suz 10b*: why frustrating Kaliya?

May 31, 11:27:59 PDT> *Kaliya*: Joan is so one - many

May 31, 11:28:05 PDT> *Jayne*: Sometimes happen because of ignorance,
sometimes because of other motivations... would be nice if this could be
addressed. Otherwise -- somethign to keep in mind for those of us who
organize stuff.

May 31, 11:28:06 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i had no idea it came out of pacifica

May 31, 11:28:33 PDT> *Kaliya*: what does it look like if every moveon
'memeber' has their own page and can ping others who live near them and
self organize

May 31, 11:28:40 PDT> *Kaliya*: use tools that connect them locally

May 31, 11:28:45 PDT> *Suz 10b*: I agree that would be a fantastic idea

May 31, 11:28:50 PDT> *Jayne*: But it's frustrating that an organization
claims to listen to feedback, Ed, and does not. I think it's important
for that to be pointed out.

May 31, 11:28:59 PDT> *ScottC*: do statements like "the pentagon
controls the media" is helpful or not?

May 31, 11:29:13 PDT> *Kaliya*: well they read e-mail

May 31, 11:29:15 PDT> *Kaliya*: but so waht

May 31, 11:29:36 PDT> *Kaliya*: there are interesting collective action
voting things one that is interesting is smartocracy

May 31, 11:29:52 PDT> *Ed*: It is frustrating, but I figure though
MoveOn's "top" priorities are not my "top" priorities, they're still
doing good. So I go elsewhere to move my own forward...

May 31, 11:30:00 PDT> *Ruby*: Yes, but what is MoveOne doing ot
facilittate folks starting their own orgs in local issues?

May 31, 11:30:16 PDT> *Kaliya*: you know this thing...doesn't work with
Firefox on macs I think I am only seeing 1/2 the things said

May 31, 11:30:20 PDT> *Ruby*: Scott, it is accurate, and facts are helpful.

May 31, 11:30:27 PDT> *Jayne*: I think the point we're trying to make is
-- if you say you are going to listen, then listen.

May 31, 11:30:36 PDT> *Ed*: Ruby, you can sign up to lead one of their
house parties, then pass out your own agenda in addition to MoveOn's.
Start a mailing list if you like the people who show up

May 31, 11:30:43 PDT> *ScottC*: ruby - what is accurate?

May 31, 11:30:46 PDT> *Jayne*: If you have a pre-set agenda, then be
straight forward. That's FINE. I appreciate stated boundaries.

May 31, 11:30:50 PDT> *ScottC*: the pentagon controls the media

May 31, 11:30:54 PDT> *Ruby*: It takes about 2 minutes after I wriute
things fo rthem to posy here. :(

May 31, 11:31:03 PDT> *Suz 10b*: kaliya, u need to update firefox

May 31, 11:31:06 PDT> *TK*: Kaliya, I had the same issue. Safari seems
to handle it OK

May 31, 11:31:07 PDT> *ScottC*: or that the pentagon has an undue
influence or is monitoring or is shaping?

May 31, 11:31:26 PDT> *Ruby*: Kaliya, you need to refresh the page
periodically.

May 31, 11:31:45 PDT> *ScottC*: my point is that railing against the
machine might make you feel good

May 31, 11:31:45 PDT> *Ed*: You're basically right, though, Jayne.
Though the disconnect between rhetoric and practice seemed more obvious
when I was watching the Dean campaign than watching MoveOn

May 31, 11:31:56 PDT> *Ruby*: Scott, that the pentagon (ad affiliated
interestes) control the mdia.

May 31, 11:31:56 PDT> *ScottC*: but might not actually move the ball
forward...

May 31, 11:32:06 PDT> *Ruby*: ad= aNd

May 31, 11:32:15 PDT> *Jayne*: I'm trying to learn from it - make sure I
don't do this myself when I facilitate a meeting.

May 31, 11:32:32 PDT> *Jayne*: So now, I just state point blank that I
have an agenda and what it is.

May 31, 11:32:46 PDT> *Ruby*: Well being polite all the time diesn't
alwys work either, Scoot.

May 31, 11:32:51 PDT> *ScottC*: so what does that mean? are you
suggesting that there is no independent media outlets at all or just the
mass media

May 31, 11:32:54 PDT> *Jayne*: People have really appreciated it,
especially audiences in developing countries. They are pretty sick of
being world banked.

May 31, 11:32:57 PDT> *Ruby*: Read "Why we can't wait" by MLK

May 31, 11:33:16 PDT> *Ruby*: sorry, scott.

May 31, 11:33:21 PDT> *Kaliya*: Open Space

May 31, 11:33:21 PDT> *ScottC*: i'm not saying polite, just recognize
that being agressive has consequences

May 31, 11:33:23 PDT> *Kaliya*: open Space

May 31, 11:33:25 PDT> *ScottC*: sorry for what?

May 31, 11:33:31 PDT> *Kaliya*: http://www.unconference.net

May 31, 11:33:36 PDT> *MSifry*: looks like we crashed the server for a while

May 31, 11:33:53 PDT> *Sharron*: Yes, Ruby that is a great suggestion to
really illuminate the need

May 31, 11:34:18 PDT> *Jayne*: Imagine what MLK could have done with
Internet organizing....

May 31, 11:34:22 PDT> *Ed*: [Day late better than a week late - I always
listen to Democracy Now late via podcasts]

May 31, 11:34:37 PDT> *Ruby*: it's agressive for the media to report FACTS?

May 31, 11:35:10 PDT> *Jayne*: I miss Austin Public Access TV

May 31, 11:35:13 PDT> *Jayne*: Soooooo good.

May 31, 11:35:16 PDT> *TK*: Another podcast in Amy's vein: Blast the
Right! (.org)

May 31, 11:35:19 PDT> *Kaliya*: via the web

May 31, 11:35:23 PDT> *ScottC*: no, just making statements like "the
pentagon controlls the media"

May 31, 11:35:41 PDT> *Ruby*: I thiknk it' saggressive for the
government to lie and expect us to swallow it.

May 31, 11:35:56 PDT> *ScottC*: I'm all for FACTS (although I will point
out that 10 people witnessing the same event will have ten stories about
the event)

May 31, 11:36:17 PDT> *ScottC*: we should not swallow it at all

May 31, 11:36:17 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (democracy now speaker) some of the
most consevrative places in the south are picking up their programming

May 31, 11:36:29 PDT> *ScottC*: what would we like to see change?

May 31, 11:37:17 PDT> *ScottC*: not just the media but the UN

May 31, 11:37:34 PDT> *Ruby*: We have DN! on *TV* in centrial North
Carolina.

May 31, 11:37:34 PDT> *Sharron*: The growth of DemocracyNow in the south
- is it just blue folks in red states - or people really understanding
that their news has become propaganda?

May 31, 11:37:53 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (democracy now speaker) People are
looking for something else, re: politics, people want to know where to
go, most people watch television for their information

May 31, 11:37:53 PDT> *TK*: They are looking for the truth distilled

May 31, 11:38:18 PDT> *Jayne*: ScottC -- I'm missing the start of the
thread that you just said, "not just the media but the UN." Would love
to know more of your thoughts on this. No, really.

May 31, 11:38:23 PDT> *emergingTech*: Long walks on the beach are even
better with a fresh baguette, Gruyere Cheese, and good red wine. Is the
.1k computer related to the MIT Labs initiative?

May 31, 11:38:23 PDT> *Ruby*: In our case, it's blue communities in red
states, Sharron.

May 31, 11:38:31 PDT> *Ed*: Given that the Bush Admin's ratings have
fallen so far, I'd guess a lot of people understand/believe they weren't
getting the full truth

May 31, 11:38:40 PDT> *Ed*: Just "truthiness"

May 31, 11:39:10 PDT> *ScottC*: interesting stats about the performance
of audience understanding of what was the truth

May 31, 11:39:20 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (democracy now speaker) danger of net
neutrality being over--ruling that ended the net neutrality law,
neutrality part of the bill disappeared

May 31, 11:39:24 PDT> *Jayne*: On Sharron's question -- I am from
Kentucky and know many blue state people living there, and many red
state people who are really disillusioned and even listening to
AIRAmerica to get alternative info.

May 31, 11:39:24 PDT> *Holly Ross*: N-TEN will have a recording of a
webinar re: Net Neutrality available at the end of next week for the
community to view for free. John Podesta and Mike McCurry are the speakers.

May 31, 11:39:29 PDT> *ScottC*: basically, NPR listners had a high %
(like 75% knew it was BS)

May 31, 11:39:35 PDT> *Setherplast*: I think I love Amy Goodman

May 31, 11:39:38 PDT> *ScottC*: vs. fox news which was like 25%

May 31, 11:39:38 PDT> *Holly Ross*: watch http://www.nten.org/webinars
on Friday June 9

May 31, 11:39:40 PDT> *Suz 10b*: thx holly

May 31, 11:39:40 PDT> *seadog*: For more info on the save net neutrality
movement: http://www.saveaccess.org/

May 31, 11:40:40 PDT> *Ruby*: although the :"red" thing is BS> our
governor has been a Dem 16 of the last 20 years, etc.

May 31, 11:40:40 PDT> *Jayne*: Hurray, Holly Ross.

May 31, 11:40:40 PDT> *Ruby*: Yay truthiness!

May 31, 11:40:40 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: And http://savetheinternet.com

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *ScottC*: net neutrality - is it a given right?

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *ScottC*: should the FCC allow anyone to own
spectrum who wants it?

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *Jayne*: Yes, Scott. It's in the Old Testament.

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *Jayne*: I forget the verse.

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *ScottC*: LOL

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *Ed*: Working Assets? Isn't their underlying
network one of the big telcos, Micah iSifry?

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *TK*: Amy G's got great big cajones, brave beyond
the call.

May 31, 11:41:03 PDT> *ScottC*: I didn't bring god into this :-)

May 31, 11:41:22 PDT> *emergingTech*: Setherplast: Thinking and love do
not go well together

May 31, 11:41:22 PDT> *hollis*: The FCC was created to protect the
people not the media

May 31, 11:41:22 PDT> *ScottC*: as she should

May 31, 11:41:22 PDT> *Ruby*: Cool, Holly.

May 31, 11:41:28 PDT> *Holly Ross*: Micah - can we talk about how
politics makes VERY strange bedfellows right now, esp. vis a vis
technology and how to take advantage of that?

May 31, 11:41:50 PDT> *Setherplast*: emergingTech: touche

May 31, 11:41:50 PDT> *Ed*: "Working Assets' underlying carrier for both
wireless and long distance is Sprint."
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=20801

May 31, 11:41:50 PDT> *Jayne*: Another great comment, Holly.

May 31, 11:42:36 PDT> *Jayne*: I think there could be many more
opportunities to better partner with the right on various issues -- many
of these things, like NetNeutrality, transcend the right-left "sides"

May 31, 11:44:34 PDT> *hollis*: I wish a third party could be created
from the digital society

May 31, 11:44:49 PDT> *Scott Baker*: Nice post Ed.

May 31, 11:44:55 PDT> *Suz 10b*: gr8 idea hollis

May 31, 11:45:06 PDT> *Suz 10b*: i think we already have

May 31, 11:45:13 PDT> *hollis*: here here

May 31, 11:45:19 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (democracy now speaker)
saveaccess.org-- go there

May 31, 11:45:25 PDT> *hollis*: the grand new party?

May 31, 11:45:44 PDT> *Setherplast*: realistically, what else are moveon
and christian coalition going to agree on besides net neutrality?

May 31, 11:45:53 PDT> *Suz 10b*: to save public access

May 31, 11:45:55 PDT> *ScottC*: funny to reference the media she rails
against

May 31, 11:46:02 PDT> *Ed*: Meet the Press and DN beat Ricky Gervais?
Maybe after Gervais went to pay-for-download...

May 31, 11:46:05 PDT> *ScottC*: as a branded plug for her own stats

May 31, 11:46:10 PDT> *seadog*: low power FM radio

May 31, 11:46:13 PDT> *ScottC*: rather than just answer the traffic question

May 31, 11:46:29 PDT> *Suz 10b*: Scott, please

May 31, 11:46:38 PDT> *Suz 10b*: this is not a bitch session

May 31, 11:46:53 PDT> *ScottC*: whose bitching?

May 31, 11:46:53 PDT> *Ruby*: Scott it sounds like you are not Democracy
Now's target audience.

May 31, 11:47:03 PDT> *Sharron*: Hollis, watch for the League of Tech
Voters coming soon http://www.leagueoftechnicalvoters.org/

May 31, 11:47:09 PDT> *Ruby*: Just b/c you don't dig it doesn't it
doesn't work.

May 31, 11:47:10 PDT> *hollis*: cool

May 31, 11:47:18 PDT> *ScottC*: I'm good with DN...

May 31, 11:47:18 PDT> *Suz 10b*: that's a gr8 resource sharron

May 31, 11:47:29 PDT> *Ruby*: oops. doesn't MEAN iT...

May 31, 11:47:41 PDT> *Jayne*: Amy Goodman is talking about volunteers!

May 31, 11:48:11 PDT> *Jayne*: Hurrah!!

May 31, 11:48:11 PDT> *ScottC*: I can dig it, I'm just wondering if
divisive is the best strategy to getting things better.

May 31, 11:48:11 PDT> *Jayne*: Online volunteers especially rock!!!

May 31, 11:48:22 PDT> *ScottC*: Joans notion that we, generally, mostly
agree. I think most people would like there to be less polarization
across the spectrum

May 31, 11:48:44 PDT> *Ruby*: "TRICKLE-UP JOURNALISM!" :)

May 31, 11:48:45 PDT> *ScottC*: not quite utopian, can't we call get
along, but more respectful dialog

May 31, 11:48:45 PDT> *Ed*: Scott. Kettle. Black. C'mon now, dude.

May 31, 11:48:48 PDT> *Jayne*: Trickle up journalism. What a great term

May 31, 11:48:51 PDT> *TK*: Nice phrase

May 31, 11:49:02 PDT> *Emily*: what is she saying about online volunteers?

May 31, 11:49:21 PDT> *ScottC*: touche'

May 31, 11:49:24 PDT> *seadog*: isn't trckling up called "leaching"?

May 31, 11:49:37 PDT> *hollis*: always remember that American Idol is a
form of digital democracy.... be careful what you wish

May 31, 11:50:17 PDT> *Jayne*: But isn't part of the appeal of American
Idol that you can feel like your vote really counts? I'm serious.

May 31, 11:50:28 PDT> *hollis*: but as we already know..the votes are fixed

May 31, 11:50:28 PDT> *Suz 10b*: but we all know it doesn't really count

May 31, 11:50:29 PDT> *Jayne*: It's pretty empowering to participate,
and feel like it really matters. Even in something stupid like American
Idol.

May 31, 11:50:31 PDT> *Alex*: has Phillip Smith materialized here?

May 31, 11:50:42 PDT> *Ed*: Trickle-up journalism: some blog folks are
pissed off that blogs sometimes don't get credited for breaking news by
newspapers etc.

May 31, 11:50:42 PDT> *Suz 10b*: it's rigged by the editors

May 31, 11:50:42 PDT> *Jayne*: It's all about perception, not reality....

May 31, 11:50:44 PDT> *Suz 10b*: who are informed by the producers

May 31, 11:50:48 PDT> *Suz 10b*: right

May 31, 11:50:59 PDT> *Ed*: Though Pacifica's considered "legitimate" so
they'll be credited...

May 31, 11:50:59 PDT> *Suz 10b*: we only see what they want us to see

May 31, 11:51:04 PDT> *Holly Ross*: Micah is great

May 31, 11:51:10 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yup

May 31, 11:51:14 PDT> *seadog*: true!

May 31, 11:51:16 PDT> *Ruby*: As a blogger I'm usually pleased to be
impacting the debate, but credit is nice too.

May 31, 11:51:22 PDT> *Eric*: Am Idol is relatively new, folks will get
over the feeling that their vote really counts.

May 31, 11:51:23 PDT> *Ruby*: Yes. Go Micah!

May 31, 11:51:51 PDT> *Jayne*: More credit to volunteers - hurrah! And
yes, Micah is doing a terrifc job of moderating, bravo!

May 31, 11:52:00 PDT> *Jayne*: That was Sharron

May 31, 11:52:12 PDT> *TK*: Those early questions will not get answered.

May 31, 11:52:12 PDT> *Ruby*: Micah is really nailing this.

May 31, 11:52:32 PDT> *Jayne*: So now I'll say it too -- I'm thrilled
that we're hearing the world "volunteer" at last -- let's give 'em
credit! And Micah is amazing.

May 31, 11:52:38 PDT> *hollis*: Am Idol: its an interesting start and
shows that the people are interested in how they are entertained but not
that they are interested in being governed

May 31, 11:52:57 PDT> *Ruby*: transparency is key!

May 31, 11:53:01 PDT> *hollis*: yes

May 31, 11:53:02 PDT> *Suz 10b*: there u go kaliya

May 31, 11:53:03 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: micah? what saying? flying
blind here.

May 31, 11:53:08 PDT> *Suz 10b*: yayy

May 31, 11:53:08 PDT> *Eric*: agreed

May 31, 11:53:17 PDT> *Suz 10b*: many--one vs the current one--many

May 31, 11:53:26 PDT> *Suz 10b*: but can still filter the best stuff up
to the top

May 31, 11:53:39 PDT> *Suz 10b*: sorry dave

May 31, 11:53:42 PDT> *marnie*: a la dailykos

May 31, 11:54:00 PDT> *Suz 10b*: micha is talking about how ohmynews

May 31, 11:54:03 PDT> *Ruby*: But dailyKOS could also do more to connect
its users.

May 31, 11:54:07 PDT> *Suz 10b*: is a new kind of citizen media

May 31, 11:54:07 PDT> *Sharron*: And, that is true of MoveOn too - they
do not really reflect their member's views. The members are actually
more activist and more left than MoveOn

May 31, 11:54:17 PDT> *Suz 10b*: and democracy now should move to a
many--many

May 31, 11:54:20 PDT> *marnie*: it gets to the house party comments

May 31, 11:54:23 PDT> *Ed*: He's saying what Jayne was saying before; a
central group filters the message, instead of true complete "democracy"

May 31, 11:54:26 PDT> *Suz 10b*: vs. one--many model

May 31, 11:54:31 PDT> *Suz 10b*: co-creators of the news

May 31, 11:54:31 PDT> *gabber710*: I love any goodman - I think she's
gret - but I can't bring myself to listen to her podcasts - too depressing.

May 31, 11:54:32 PDT> *ES*: a news mesh

May 31, 11:54:34 PDT> *marnie*: exposing listerners/users to each other
so they can advance their own agendas

May 31, 11:54:39 PDT> *Ruby*: Actually I think a loto f MoveOn folks are
angry moderates, Sahrron.

May 31, 11:54:43 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (let's remember our remote friends, here)

May 31, 11:54:48 PDT> *Jayne*: Sharron started it!!!

May 31, 11:54:52 PDT> *Ruby*: Leftuists have other organizations.

May 31, 11:54:53 PDT> *emergingTech*: How about ohmynews?

May 31, 11:54:53 PDT> *Jayne*: I just joined in.

May 31, 11:55:22 PDT> *Jayne*: I think, Ruby, that that's true of
AirAmerica audience as well.

May 31, 11:55:29 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (democracy now speaker) listeners are
the group of producers that inform what we do

May 31, 11:55:45 PDT> *emergingTech*: Ohmynews: -> many to some to many

May 31, 11:55:46 PDT> *Suz 10b*: move on has over 3 million members

May 31, 11:55:49 PDT> *Ruby*: True, Jayne

May 31, 11:55:56 PDT> *Rob Cottingham*: wonder what that new
DemocracyNow site will do...

May 31, 11:56:13 PDT> *Suz 10b*: moveone doesn't have a blog

May 31, 11:56:18 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: demand side, as doc would say

May 31, 11:56:24 PDT> *Ruby*: Micah says MoveOn is 1/2 top-down, 1/2
bottom-up.

May 31, 11:56:30 PDT> *Suz 10b*: mich: modertor= was this a conscious
decision

May 31, 11:56:46 PDT> *Sharron*: But you can be quite moderate, Ruby and
be left of MoveOn - they did not even oppose the war for a very long time

May 31, 11:56:53 PDT> *Ruby*: MoveOne doesn't have the vcapacity to
blog? BS!

May 31, 11:56:56 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (joan of moveon) it was a case of not
enough capacity

May 31, 11:57:04 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: 3 mill! geez

May 31, 11:57:06 PDT> *Suz 10b*: (ruby thinks it's BS)

May 31, 11:57:16 PDT> *Ruby*: Threy are alreZDy producing content. Just
slap it on the blog.

May 31, 11:57:23 PDT> *Suz 10b*: move on has 20 team members

May 31, 11:57:32 PDT> *Jacob*: It's not very convincing . . . . that
they don't have the capacity.

May 31, 11:57:35 PDT> *Setherplast*: I agree with Ruby. They could get
any one of the people in this room to volunteer to do it

May 31, 11:57:42 PDT> *Ruby*: I'd like to get their aklerts via RSS
instead of e0mail, fr example.

May 31, 11:57:49 PDT> *TK*: It

May 31, 11:57:51 PDT> *Jayne*: Great clarification by Micah re: "Who is
'we'"?

May 31, 11:57:59 PDT> *gabber308*: Maybe Move On wants to protect their
brand

May 31, 11:58:06 PDT> *Ruby*: Sorry about my typing.

May 31, 11:58:07 PDT> *Ed*: I believe they started much smaller, way
back when...

May 31, 11:58:15 PDT> *Jayne*: Have I mentioned that volunteers are
awesome? Indeed, they make great online moderators.

May 31, 11:58:24 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: and who is 'we'?

May 31, 11:58:31 PDT> *Setherplast*: See, I think Jayne is already
volunteering!

May 31, 11:59:16 PDT> *Ruby*: Micah is so right. It's a question of
priorities.

May 31, 11:59:29 PDT> *hollis*: isnt warren buffet donating tons of
money to Moveon???

May 31, 11:59:40 PDT> *Jayne*: Yes, Yes. Micah says what I think.

May 31, 11:59:47 PDT> *Ed*: I'm guessing a lot of their central staff
also do technical stuff, and are taken up with that

May 31, 11:59:50 PDT> *gabber308*: I think Move On is very strategic in
how it chooses to work and what issues it selects

May 31, 11:59:57 PDT> *Ruby*: There are a kajillion volunteers who could
be doing this for MoveOn.

May 31, 12:00:10 PDT> *Setherplast*: Ruby: like Jayne

May 31, 12:00:13 PDT> *Sharron*: Yes!

May 31, 12:00:41 PDT> *Ed*: Yeah, but then you get things like the
Hitler video that they got blasted for; nobody at MoveOn central liked
it, but they're tarred with it

May 31, 12:00:48 PDT> *dave:lifekludger*: jayne: wot do you think?

May 31, 12:00:59 PDT> *Ed*: They get blamed for things their members do

May 31, 12:01:03 PDT> *Jayne*: Sharron is going crazy over what the
MoveOn person is saying and what she has experienced with MoveOn.

May 31, 12:01:15 PDT> *Jayne*: She must just not be aware at all.

May 31, 12:01:38 PDT> *hollis*: shes not very tech saavy..is she??

May 31, 12:01:41 PDT> *gabber308*: I think she is absorbed with her Mom
thing

May 31, 12:01:50 PDT> *Suz 10b*: dave can u clarify what you want jayne
to comment on?

May 31, 12:02:02 PDT> *Jayne*: Dave asks what I think... about the
Hitler video?

May 31, 12:02:05 PDT> *Suz 10b*: no, but not everyone needs to be tech
savvy hollis

May 31, 12:02:09 PDT> *Jayne*: About how that got through?

May 31, 12:02:18 PDT> *hollis*: thats true

May 31, 12:02:23 PDT> *gabber435*: she's uncomfrotable with being on the
spot

May 31, 12:02:27 PDT> *hollis*: Im just surprised

May 31, 12:02:32 PDT> *TK*: Where are we going with any of this?

May 31, 12:02:38 PDT> *Suz 10b*: right